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musicbebe 12-10-2007 06:30 AM

Hi all!



I am new to raw food and loving it! I have been eating raw for about a week plus. A few days ago, I started experiencing a very itchy case of rectal itching! I did not have this problem before starting raw foods. Has anyone else had this problem AFTER starting raw foods? I know many people have this problem BEFORE starting raw food and then experience relief. So why am I having it now? My diet currently consists of green smoothies, fruits and veggies, not too much fat. I am 100 percent raw most days; on the days I am not I am still about 90 percent Raw and eating cooked vegetarian foods on the other days. I was thinking maybe I picked up a case of parasites from not washing my veggies and fruits. I was told that some people think you get B12 from tiny insects on fruits and veggies and so not to wash and scrub them clean. Two days after I started itching my husband complained of rectal itching too (we had not had "relations" since I starting being itchy). I've been feeding him the green smoothies (with unwashed organic veggies) lately. He still eats mostly cooked foods with dairy and some meat.



So if it is because of unwashed fruits and veggies, will it go away on it's own as I keep eating this healthy diet? Are we "expelling" parasites now? If we are "expelling" them, shouldn't they be dead? I've also been taking a probiotic for the last 2 weeks, should that help?



I know itchy anus is a sign of low HCL, but then, I didn't have this itchy problem before the green smoothies, so why would I be experiencing it now?



I would love to hear your ideas, thoughts and insights!!!!



PS: I had a thought to rub coconut oil "down there," externally and a little bit internally (because of it's anti-microbial properties etc...), would that HELP or be BAD in any way?

Fritemare 12-10-2007 07:09 AM

I think you should probably go talk to a doctor about this. There are a lot of things rectal itching can be associated with, and they don't have to do with eating a raw food diet. I was raw/fruitarian for two years and I never had any problems like this.

froggythefrog 12-10-2007 09:51 AM

Doctor sounds like the best thing to do. And are you getting your produce from the supermarket? Don't eat it unwashed. It usually contains very little B12 but plenty of undesirable microbes that could make you very sick. A B-12 supplement is your best bet and less of a gamble.

*AHIMSA* 12-10-2007 09:55 AM

I second Fritemare's and Froggy's suggestions. I do think that going to a doctor is a good idea. I'd hope that you won't find many people here willing to tell you to finger yourself with coconut oil in lieu of seeking medical attention!

Fritemare 12-10-2007 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by *AHIMSA* View Post

I second Fritemare's and Froggy's suggestions. I do think that going to a doctor is a good idea. I'd hope that you won't find many people here willing to tell you to finger yourself with coconut oil in lieu of seeking medical attention!



Sorry to sound dirty, but I started laughing when I put a picture to your quote!

*AHIMSA* 12-10-2007 10:42 AM

Well, I laughed when I read the OP's statement:

"PS: I had a thought to rub coconut oil "down there," externally and a little bit internally (because of it's anti-microbial properties etc...), would that HELP or be BAD in any way?".

thatoneguy 12-10-2007 11:56 AM

If you go to the doctor, be prepared for him to tell you not to eat a raw diet.

*AHIMSA* 12-10-2007 12:00 PM

At the very least, a rectal exam and a swab test, I'd say! Perhaps a stool sample, even.

musicbebe 12-10-2007 01:59 PM

Well I had to do something in the meantime! Believe it or not the coconut oil really helped. Preparation H hardly did anything. If it doesn't go away very soon I'll go to the doctor.



Here's what I found out about coconut oil:



"Caprylic acid has been used for years as part of an effective natural cure for candida, and happens to be one of the medium chain fatty acids found in coconut oil.



It's reported to be especially helpful for people who suffer adverse reactions to pharmaceutical anti-fungal drugs."



"Use coconut oil as an effective natural cure for candida symptoms, including:



- vaginal yeast infection and vaginitis

- rectal itching

- skin erruptions including seborrheic dermatitis, diaper rash, cradle cap and psoriasis

- thrush



coconut oil, a natural cure for candida albicans Simply apply virgin coconut

oil to the affected area of

the body and experience wonderful relief. "



http://www.candida-cure-recipes.com/...r-candida.html

Fritemare 12-10-2007 02:36 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to make fun or anything. I just had dirty thoughts about the coconut oil. I blame AHIMSA for giving me dirty thoughts!



Anyways, you might have just consumed something that caused your stools to irritate your rectal area. I'd definately talk to your doctor if it doesn't go away. I wouldn't say you are eating a raw diet though unless you are prepared to defend yourself. I'd simply say you had some recent diet changes that may or may not be effecting your itchy rectum.

~Wonder 12-10-2007 05:53 PM

Have you been pooping more since your diet change? Cause if you have, then your itching is probably caused by all the extra wiping you've been doing. Get some of these from Walgreens and use them to finish cleaning up down there. The itching should go away within a week.

musicbebe 12-10-2007 06:17 PM

Fritemare, No problem... how can I blame you when I used words like "rectal itching" and "anus" in my OP? My husband laughed hysterically when he read what I posted. But thanks for your apology



Thank you everyone else for your suggestions. Any more out there?

Percy 12-11-2007 05:07 AM

Can be a body reaction too....



You do not ever imagine the amount of crap we have down there. Poison we been accumulating day by day since our very first days, is stockpiled down there... you are now cleansing yourself and all that crap is moving, causing you hurt...



How about a colon/rectal cleansen? It's very iki, but you will even loose 2-3 pounds of crap instantly. Unbeliable but true. I'm getting one next year

musicbebe 12-11-2007 06:00 AM

Okay, now I'm noticing other symptoms. Maybe this is really detox. I have teeny, teeny, tiny dark red bumps (they almost look like someone poked me with a tooth pick) all over my torso. You have to look up close to see them and then you notice they are all around. And that same rash is on the back of my head, in my hair and itches like CRAZY. My itching "down there" seems to have gone away (coconut oil?) but now the rash on my head is baaaad. Sounds like detox?

~Wonder 12-11-2007 03:08 PM

Sounds like an allergy. Get yourself to a doctor.

cloudcovering 12-11-2007 06:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by musicbebe View Post

Okay, now I'm noticing other symptoms. Maybe this is really detox. I have teeny, teeny, tiny dark red bumps (they almost look like someone poked me with a tooth pick) all over my torso. You have to look up close to see them and then you notice they are all around. And that same rash is on the back of my head, in my hair and itches like CRAZY. My itching "down there" seems to have gone away (coconut oil?) but now the rash on my head is baaaad. Sounds like detox?



I'd definitely talk to a licensed physician about that! It's kind of too unusual for me to just let it slide without confirming that something doesnt need to be done about it.

misq17 12-11-2007 06:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by musicbebe View Post

Okay, now I'm noticing other symptoms. Maybe this is really detox. I have teeny, teeny, tiny dark red bumps (they almost look like someone poked me with a tooth pick) all over my torso. You have to look up close to see them and then you notice they are all around. And that same rash is on the back of my head, in my hair and itches like CRAZY. My itching "down there" seems to have gone away (coconut oil?) but now the rash on my head is baaaad. Sounds like detox?



Have you ever had chicken pox? If not, are you vaccinated?

musicbebe 12-11-2007 06:52 PM

Yes I had chicken pox when I was 14, it's nothing like that. It's really interesting, because I posted this same thread on four other vegan/vegetarian sites and this site is the only one where everyone suggests I go to the doctor. The others said:detox, candida, parasites, with a lot of posters saying they went through similar things as me, but that the symptoms went away in a week or so. Thank you everyone for your recommendations. I will definitely see a doctor in a few days if this doesn't clear up, but the symptoms have started to subside noticeably.

MyButtItches 02-05-2016 07:40 AM

My Butt Itches too!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musicbebe (Post 1732151)
Fritemare, No problem... how can I blame you when I used words like "rectal itching" and "anus" in my OP? My husband laughed hysterically when he read what I posted. But thanks for your apology<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Thank you everyone else for your suggestions. Any more out there?

I'm here because I did a search for the very topic you raised. I have changed my diet to really incorporate smoothies with lots of greens (and have included protein powder, ground flaxseed, chia seeds) ... and my ass ITCHES like CRAZY. It's making me nuts. I'm not going to a doctor. It's purely diet related and I was wondering will it go away on it's own or is there something (i.e. coconut oil or Prep H or something else) that might help.

I scrub cucumbers/apples that I add to smoothies. I've used pre-washed "Power Greens" it's baby spinach, kale and something else ... I'm not vegan or vegetarian, but am eating healthier and using this as a way to incorporate more vegetables and greens (and fruit) into my diet. It's easy and works for me.

And my butt seems otherwise healthy and fine. I know that bowel movements change with diet and I'm okay there. I feel good and if I can just figure out this itchy butt issue.

spaveg 02-10-2016 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyButtItches (Post 3900481)
I'm here because I did a search for the very topic you raised. I have changed my diet to really incorporate smoothies with lots of greens (and have included protein powder, ground flaxseed, chia seeds) ... and my ass ITCHES like CRAZY. It's making me nuts. I'm not going to a doctor. It's purely diet related and I was wondering will it go away on it's own or is there something (i.e. coconut oil or Prep H or something else) that might help.

I scrub cucumbers/apples that I add to smoothies. I've used pre-washed "Power Greens" it's baby spinach, kale and something else ... I'm not vegan or vegetarian, but am eating healthier and using this as a way to incorporate more vegetables and greens (and fruit) into my diet. It's easy and works for me.

And my butt seems otherwise healthy and fine. I know that bowel movements change with diet and I'm okay there. I feel good and if I can just figure out this itchy butt issue.

I think you should try to eliminate some of the greens and see if the itching still persists.
By successive eliminations, you might find those that are giving you the troubles.

Secondly, I would recommend you to try to replace the protein powder and flaxseed, chia seeds with raw avocado, if you consume them as an energy source. Avocado has a lot of healthy fat and it keeps you running for many hours.

Spudulika 02-10-2016 10:04 AM

OT

Is there a way to hide certain unwanted threads, in the same way we can hide unwanted posts from certain members?
If I ever experience extreme rectal itching upon eating a raw diet, I will be sure to search for this thread, otherwise I really don't need to see it refreshed all that much..

Jay Sneaker 02-25-2016 03:01 AM

Yes, raw foods can cause (certain people) to itch out the south
 
Hi, folks...

This thread came up in a search about the problem of the itchy anus from vegetarianism. Here I am!

This has happened not once, but twice since 2002. Each time, I went to vegetarianism, a few weeks went by and the gradual anal itching after a BM began, very subtle at first, and getting worse as the months progress. After the wiping ends, it begins and feels like an itch under the skin. Then, it picks up again about 4 am very mildly for an hour, and then I barely feel it until I hit the sack. Then, wake up, BM...rinse and repeat.

By month six, I couldn't stand it anymore. I went and tried every OTC cream and eventually went to the doctor who prescribed even stronger creams. None of them did a thing. Nothing. By month nine, I had to bring red meat back into the diet. Guess what: problem solved within a day or two! This happened back then (as described) and now again as I decided to give it another shot starting on Feb 1. The nasty itchy has showed up again.

So, no, it's not from too many or messy BMs, or from parasites, or from food allergies, which leaves, in my mind, only the possibility if it being some kind of nutrient sensitivity or an allergy to fiber (which I suspected since it first happened).

Other than the above described, I feel better than I've felt in forever. But I can't handle this itching. I considered suicide before. It was THAT bad at the end.

Can ANYONE shed any light on this subject? Two doctors could offer zero insight whatsoever.

silva 02-25-2016 03:14 AM

@Jay Sneaker - there is zero contributing factors in your anecdotal experience.
Were you actually tested for parasites or food allergies, or the beginning of hemorroids? the only correlation I can think of is that you would eat meat in lieu of the problem foods, or possibly eat less of insoluble fiber.
Meat in itself would not help the problem but will certainly cause other digestive problems

I'm leaving this up to give you time to respond, however it will be deleted as VB has rules against spreading inaccurate information as well as meat eating

Jay Sneaker 02-27-2016 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silva (Post 3920785)
@Jay Sneaker - there is zero contributing factors in your anecdotal experience.
Were you actually tested for parasites or food allergies, or the beginning of hemorroids? the only correlation I can think of is that you would eat meat in lieu of the problem foods, or possibly eat less of insoluble fiber.
Meat in itself would not help the problem but will certainly cause other digestive problems

I'm leaving this up to give you time to respond, however it will be deleted as VB has rules against spreading inaccurate information as well as meat eating

I was checked by several doctors. I have very small hemorroids, but this only becomes a problem as I mentioned above. And the fiber I get is from raw fruits and legumes.

I have no idea why you would delete this. The OPs brought this topic up and it needs addressing. If we have it, then others do, too. I am far from pro-meat or I wouldn't have come around. I am just reporting my experiences for the benefit of others who may be struggling with the same issues. This is crazy how I can't fully convert because of this. I appreciate anyone's help.

silva 02-27-2016 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Sneaker (Post 3920769)
Hi, folks...

This thread came up in a search about the problem of the itchy anus from vegetarianism. Here I am!

This has happened not once, but twice since 2002. Each time, I went to vegetarianism, a few weeks went by and the gradual anal itching after a BM began, very subtle at first, and getting worse as the months progress. After the wiping ends, it begins and feels like an itch under the skin. Then, it picks up again about 4 am very mildly for an hour, and then I barely feel it until I hit the sack. Then, wake up, BM...rinse and repeat.

By month six, I couldn't stand it anymore. I went and tried every OTC cream and eventually went to the doctor who prescribed even stronger creams. None of them did a thing. Nothing. By month nine, I had to bring red meat back into the diet. Guess what: problem solved within a day or two! This happened back then (as described) and now again as I decided to give it another shot starting on Feb 1. The nasty itchy has showed up again.

So, no, it's not from too many or messy BMs, or from parasites, or from food allergies, which leaves, in my mind, only the possibility if it being some kind of nutrient sensitivity or an allergy to fiber (which I suspected since it first happened).

Other than the above described, I feel better than I've felt in forever. But I can't handle this itching. I considered suicide before. It was THAT bad at the end.

Can ANYONE shed any light on this subject? Two doctors could offer zero insight whatsoever.

Were you actually tested for parasites like pinworms?
What had you left out, or reduced, of your diet the times you began eating meat? Meat offers nothing by itself to solve this issue, so you must be eliminating foods, or really reducing something.
Have you tried probiotics?

Jay Sneaker 02-27-2016 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silva (Post 3922857)
Were you actually tested for parasites like pinworms?

The first doctor suspected I had developed an allergy to cayenne and spicy foods. Then the pinworms were what he checked and prescribed for, saying that if he missed any, a certain cream (pretty expensive) would kill anything. I went through one and then another of those. The next doctor was even more clueless. He re-prescribed the first cream and set me up for a colonoscopy, which I never went through because that night, I tested my theory that meat was the cause by going to Blackeyed Pea and having a steak. I got a bad SICKLY feeling since I hadn't eaten any flesh-food in 9 months, but the itching went away!

So the worms theory is positively false since I tested it again briefly in 2006--same problem and same solution as above. And now, I tested it again two days ago with a trip to a Mexican restaurant. Problem solved in the very same way.

So, no, no worms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silva (Post 3922857)
What had you left out, or reduced, of your diet the times you began eating meat?

Let's see; at the time, I eliminated kumquats first, then tomatoes, then cayenne pepper, then peanut butter, and then apples. No difference.

Currently, I keep my veggies and fruits the same and just add a small portion of meats twice or three times a week and that is enough to keep "the itch" away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silva (Post 3922857)
Meat offers nothing by itself to solve this issue, so you must be eliminating foods, or really reducing something.

That's what I would think. I don't know if this is a deficiency or just some odd medical mystery, but it would gain me nothing to misrepresent what occurred. And in a world where people are born allergic to water, I have to consider it, especially with the experiences I've had.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silva (Post 3922857)
Have you tried probiotics?

Well, this was 2001, so I hadn't heard of probiotics. As of now, I could try it.

silva 02-27-2016 04:56 PM

as far as deleting these posts, I've thought about you just wanting relief from a problem, but two things in particular you've said stick out as being very wrong.
First is you say: "By month nine, I had to bring red meat back into the diet. Guess what: problem solved"
When there is no where to be found any suggestion of eating any kind of meat that could relieve itching, there is no logic in anyone thinking to eat it, and yet you say you were veg'n.

Secondly, their are tests which easily confirm the presence of worms, and the cure is in pill form as they do not just hang around your anus, but in the intestinal regions. Cremes are never the treatment.

You bring up an analogy of being allergic even to water, but that analogy has nothing to do with your experience. What do you think is happening? That meat magically 'absorbs' whatever other foods contain, that causes you to itch? I guarentee it does not!

What is it that you expect anyone in a vegetarian/vegan forum to tell you when you seem driven to eat meat? You come across as an apologenic who has no real intention of being veg'n, but also feels guilty, so they look for reasons why they 'need' to eat animals.

I've heard a lot of excuses, but never to stop rectal itch.

Honestly, a good doctor would do the correct testing, and put you on an elimination diet- elimination as in quitting certain foods individually. I bet you anything you won't be told "maybe you try meat", and that a typical doctor response for many ailments

silva 02-27-2016 04:58 PM

Crap, I forgot, I had determined that eating grapefruit, at least daily, caused me to have rectal itching. I don't often have good citrus, but when good grapefruits are in season I'll have one a day. I realized that that was the culprit

RomeoAppearing 02-28-2016 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musicbebe (Post 1731476)
Hi all!



I am new to raw food and loving it! I have been eating raw for about a week plus. A few days ago, I started experiencing a very itchy case of rectal itching! I did not have this problem before starting raw foods. Has anyone else had this problem AFTER starting raw foods? I know many people have this problem BEFORE starting raw food and then experience relief. So why am I having it now? My diet currently consists of green smoothies, fruits and veggies, not too much fat. I am 100 percent raw most days; on the days I am not I am still about 90 percent Raw and eating cooked vegetarian foods on the other days. I was thinking maybe I picked up a case of parasites from not washing my veggies and fruits. I was told that some people think you get B12 from tiny insects on fruits and veggies and so not to wash and scrub them clean. Two days after I started itching my husband complained of rectal itching too (we had not had "relations" since I starting being itchy). I've been feeding him the green smoothies (with unwashed organic veggies) lately. He still eats mostly cooked foods with dairy and some meat.



So if it is because of unwashed fruits and veggies, will it go away on it's own as I keep eating this healthy diet? Are we "expelling" parasites now? If we are "expelling" them, shouldn't they be dead? I've also been taking a probiotic for the last 2 weeks, should that help?



I know itchy anus is a sign of low HCL, but then, I didn't have this itchy problem before the green smoothies, so why would I be experiencing it now?



I would love to hear your ideas, thoughts and insights!!!!



PS: I had a thought to rub coconut oil "down there," externally and a little bit internally (because of it's anti-microbial properties etc...), would that HELP or be BAD in any way?

May be parasites and in that case you will have to take a vermifuge.

LedBoots 02-28-2016 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyButtItches (Post 3900481)
I'm here because I did a search for the very topic you raised. I have changed my diet to really incorporate smoothies with lots of greens (and have included protein powder, ground flaxseed, chia seeds) ... and my ass ITCHES like CRAZY. It's making me nuts. I'm not going to a doctor. It's purely diet related and I was wondering will it go away on it's own or is there something (i.e. coconut oil or Prep H or something else) that might help.

I scrub cucumbers/apples that I add to smoothies. I've used pre-washed "Power Greens" it's baby spinach, kale and something else ... I'm not vegan or vegetarian, but am eating healthier and using this as a way to incorporate more vegetables and greens (and fruit) into my diet. It's easy and works for me.

And my butt seems otherwise healthy and fine. I know that bowel movements change with diet and I'm okay there. I feel good and if I can just figure out this itchy butt issue.

Sometimes people who eat more of a "liquid"'diet like smoothies have this issue of itching. I would suspect those chia seeds too, just a suspicion.


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