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#1 Old 01-16-2010, 10:28 AM
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I was reluctant to begin a raw food way of life. Now I love it and could think of no other way to eat. Really. My question is though what keeps people from incorporating more raw food in their diets?
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#2 Old 01-16-2010, 12:13 PM
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My question is though what keeps people from incorporating more raw food in their diets?

I like hot food in winter.



Eating raw is more expensive.



It's more work and requires more planning.
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Because cooked food allows more variety.

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I was reluctant to begin a raw food way of life. Now I love it and could think of no other way to eat. Really. My question is though what keeps people from incorporating more raw food in their diets?



For many years I ate a very high precentage of raw foods and for about 6 months was a completely raw. I eat a lot of food, and don't generally care for smoothies so I did a lot of chewing.



On what would turn out to be my last day of being a raw vegan I went to see a doctor after for the second time in a month my lower jaw had swollen forward to the point that my lower teeth were not making contact with my upper teeth. The first time lasted about 36 hours, the second time about a week. They found that my jaw muscles were stronger than the incredible hulk's and could bite through concrete and steel (that might be a bit of an exaggeration) and I was told (the doctor knew nothing of my diet) to eat absolutely no nuts, apples etc - anything that was hard or required a lot of chewing. I also started seeing a dental specialist who could not believe both how strong and tense my jaw muscles were. She was actually a little afraid to be anywhere near the vacinity of my mouth. To this day I eat almost nothing raw and my jaw muscles have returned to normal. Correlation does not equal causation, but regardless I have no interest in moving towards a raw diet again.
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I like hot food in winter.



Eating raw is more expensive.



It's more work and requires more planning.

Hot food: This may be true, but you can do things like add cayenne to recipes to increase the heat and which makes you feel warmer.



More expensive: Not really, depends what you buy. If you buy all the prepackaged raw stuff then yeah, but how expensive are salads? Not that much. Also, you don't need to buy all those expensive foods from around the world.



More time and planning? How long and how far in advance does it take to plan a salad? Not long. The only planning you might need to make is what kind of salad dressing you are going to have (if any at all...many people just use olive oil or lemon juice).





Wow vegmedic...what type of foods were you eating?

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Exactly the answers I expected.



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Hot food: This may be true, but you can do things like add cayenne to recipes to increase the heat and which makes you feel warmer.

I want hot food and not something that "makes me feel warmer".



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More expensive: Not really, depends what you buy. If you buy all the prepackaged raw stuff then yeah, but how expensive are salads? Not that much. Also, you don't need to buy all those expensive foods from around the world.

Maybe it depends on where you live. Beans, rice, potatos and pasta are definitely cheaper than fresh produce. And while people don't need to eat all these exotic foods from all over the world I personally prefer some variety.





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How long and how far in advance does it take to plan a salad? Not long.

I prefer to have some variety - that includes not eating salads exclusively. I also prefer not having to go shopping almost every day. I like preparing and freezing stuff in advance.



People can put all the energy and money they want to into their food and if someone wants to go all raw - do it by all means. It's not for me though.
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Baked goods are too good and I don't really care about my health.

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Same reasons as people dont' want to give up meat, dairy cheese, and eggs. They like the taste, they like the comfort of not having to feel emotions/just having food to sit and digest in their tummies.



I'd rather be raw personally.
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how about missing the vitamins from grains? you guys probably don't eat bread right or pasta or grains? That would be eliminating most of the B vitamins......I'm incorporating more raw food in my diet now, but it certainly won't be the majority. I can definately see where it has it's place in a varied diet. I too am one who likes hot food, esp in winter, and cayanne pepper just burns my mouth, even when not much is used in a recipe.

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According to Wikipedia, B vitamins are also found in bananas, lentils (which you could sprout), chile peppers, tempeh (raw?), beans (sprout), nutritional and brewer's yeast, molasses (raw?), marmite (?) and vegemite (?). Not sure about the raw-ness of all of those, but there are options other than grains.
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I don't believe the benefits of eating raw are great enough to warrant an exclusive lifestyle of eating only raw foods.
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I like to eat at least something raw at every meal, but I tend to eat more cooked foods when it's freezing outside. We have long, cold winters here in Quebec. I did eat mostly raw foods when I first became a vegan many years ago but I do better now with more cooked foods (grains, beans, etc.) in my diet. One can also overdo on the simple sugars and fats (nuts & seeds) on an exclusively raw diet.
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how about missing the vitamins from grains? you guys probably don't eat bread right or pasta or grains? That would be eliminating most of the B vitamins......I'm incorporating more raw food in my diet now, but it certainly won't be the majority. I can definately see where it has it's place in a varied diet. I too am one who likes hot food, esp in winter, and cayanne pepper just burns my mouth, even when not much is used in a recipe.

Raw fooders eat sprouted grains

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I don't believe the benefits of eating raw are great enough to warrant an exclusive lifestyle of eating only raw foods.



Pretty much this
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Same reasons as people dont' want to give up meat, dairy cheese, and eggs. They like the taste, they like the comfort of not having to feel emotions/just having food to sit and digest in their tummies.



I'd rather be raw personally.



This argument only applies if you put your health on the same level as ethical concerns with human exploitation of animals. That said, I respect peoples' decisions to be raw. But it's just not for me...

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Raw fooders eat sprouted grains



Definitely not all of us. I prefer to thrive on what nature provides in a peel.
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Same reasons as people dont' want to give up meat, dairy cheese, and eggs. They like the taste, they like the comfort of not having to feel emotions/just having food to sit and digest in their tummies.





Are you implying that raw is ethically superior? If so, how?
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Are you implying that raw is ethically superior? If so, how?

The plants aren't burned before they are consumed lol.

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Are you implying that raw is ethically superior? If so, how?



no i didn't claim that
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The plants aren't burned before they are consumed lol.







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no i didn't claim that



O.K. I just couldn't/can't figure out the reason for "they like the comfort of not having to feel emotions."
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O.K. I just couldn't/can't figure out the reason for "they like the comfort of not having to feel emotions."



Oh, that has to do with your body's energy/nerves that cannot feel as many emotions when you are digesting. Nothing to do with ethics. Has to do with your body's digestion.
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Oh, that has to do with your body's energy/nerves that cannot feel as many emotions when you are digesting. Nothing to do with ethics. Has to do with your body's digestion.



O.K. That clears that up. I assume that the theory is that digestion takes less effort on a raw diet, and that therefore more emotions are possible while eating raw?
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Oh, that has to do with your body's energy/nerves that cannot feel as many emotions when you are digesting. Nothing to do with ethics. Has to do with your body's digestion.



I'm sorry, but, uhh.... Since when, exactly?



Care to provide some evidence to back up that claim?



Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And that's a pretty extraordinary claim you've got right there.
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For many years I ate a very high precentage of raw foods and for about 6 months was a completely raw. I eat a lot of food, and don't generally care for smoothies so I did a lot of chewing.



On what would turn out to be my last day of being a raw vegan I went to see a doctor after for the second time in a month my lower jaw had swollen forward to the point that my lower teeth were not making contact with my upper teeth. The first time lasted about 36 hours, the second time about a week. They found that my jaw muscles were stronger than the incredible hulk's and could bite through concrete and steel (that might be a bit of an exaggeration) and I was told (the doctor knew nothing of my diet) to eat absolutely no nuts, apples etc - anything that was hard or required a lot of chewing. I also started seeing a dental specialist who could not believe both how strong and tense my jaw muscles were. She was actually a little afraid to be anywhere near the vacinity of my mouth. To this day I eat almost nothing raw and my jaw muscles have returned to normal. Correlation does not equal causation, but regardless I have no interest in moving towards a raw diet again.



i have never heard of such a thing before. amazing!
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how about missing the vitamins from grains? you guys probably don't eat bread right or pasta or grains? That would be eliminating most of the B vitamins......I'm incorporating more raw food in my diet now, but it certainly won't be the majority. I can definately see where it has it's place in a varied diet. I too am one who likes hot food, esp in winter, and cayanne pepper just burns my mouth, even when not much is used in a recipe.

Eating raw I actually get more B vitamins than I did eating a cooked diet. I log my foods into fitday.com everyday to watch my nutrition intake since eating a lot of raw foods is new to me and I want to make sure I'm meeting my nutrition goals, and I max out my B vitamins everyday. I never did when I was logging a cooked diet. The only one is the B12 of course, but I just take a supplement for it. I really can't think of anything that grains or breads have that raw foods don't have. At first my iron intake was lower than I liked since I have a very long history of anemia, so I started eating raw pumpkin seeds since they contain 25% of the daily iron take in one serving.

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I'm sorry, but, uhh.... Since when, exactly?



Care to provide some evidence to back up that claim?



Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And that's a pretty extraordinary claim you've got right there.

I think it is pretty well established that some compulsive eaters use food to avoid facing unpleasant emotion. Hardly an extraordinary claim.

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Same reasons as people dont' want to give up meat, dairy cheese, and eggs. They like the taste, they like the comfort of not having to feel emotions/just having food to sit and digest in their tummies.



I'd rather be raw personally.

Um what? I think most people don't eat those things because they don't want to kill animals and cause needless harm and suffering. So....cooking food causes the food to feel pain? Also you said digesting makes you not feel emotions...what? Your emotions have nothing to do with digestive enzymes. I don't get it. And another thing, and this could be a totally different thread but- raw is actually harder to digest then cooked. But that's not a bad thing, that's a GOOD thing! I don't get why raw people say the opposite and think easy to digest is a good thing. Harder to digest stuff (foods that contain insoluble fiber) strengthens your digestion.





Oh and to answer the original post: I don't eat (more) raw because A) I have GERD, a Hiatal Hernia, Gastritis, and IBS, and although I've built my digestion back up over the years, I think eating that much fruit and insoluble fiber would be way too much for my digestive system to handle. I am able to eat a regular amount of fruits and veggies everyday now though B) Eating like that would be to eating disorder-ish for me. I'm not saying you have one if you eat like that, just to me that's how I feel it would be.
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Um what? I think most people don't eat those things because they don't want to kill animals and cause needless harm and suffering. So....cooking food causes the food to feel pain? .



I understood what Penny is saying, It would be like me saying "I can't go raw because I like my sauteed tofu and veggies too much" And "vegan macaroni and cheese is my comfort food".



It's the same reason omni's (and vegetarians) give us for their continued consumption of animal products.

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I understood what Penny is saying, It would be like me saying "I can't go raw because I like my sauteed tofu and veggies too much" And "vegan macaroni and cheese is my comfort food".



It's the same reason omni's (and vegetarians) give us for their continued consumption of animal products.



But it's completely different, unless she feels cooking food is cruel to plants. The whole reason we hate when people say that is because they're putting comfort over others suffering. You're not causing any suffering by cooking food lol.
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But it's completely different, unless she feels cooking food is cruel to plants. The whole reason we hate when people say that is because they're putting comfort over others suffering. You're not causing any suffering by cooking food lol.



I don't think anyone was saying that its cruel to cook plants. At least, that's not what I got out of it. I took it as more of the method of reasoning being the same (just different scenarios. Since raw foods are supposed to be healthier than cooked foods).





Choosing comfort over suffering. - "Oh, I don't think I could ever stop eating -insert animal product of choice-. I just like the taste of it too much."



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Choosing comfort over "health benefits" - "Oh I don't think I could ever go raw because I like tofu too much".

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