thats understandable, the stern show is 4 hours a day, they cover a WIDE variety of news and topics. Yes they have contests, from time to time, but if you were an avid listener, you would know that stuff like that is not the base of the show. The E! show gave him such a bad image, howard has one of the most intelligent listening audiences in the business. I would say much like the vegetarian/vegan world, without giving it the time, it leaves quite a bad taste with most people. Just read the oprah forum on veganism, very painful.