i really like his voice. He is an intelligent person, so i give him that. but his music has really gone down hill... but imo, he's not the "brains" behind the music, and once he lost the 2 (actually 3) people that really "created" the music, there was nothing left for him to do. Portrait of an american family is an absolutely amazing album that was amazing because of twiggy's amazing work on the guitar and gidget's work on the bass. gidget left, and then antichrist was also an amazing album, again because some of the work of daisy (who only did about half the tracks)... but that album really shined because of all the work trent reznor put into it. once daisy left, and the whole thing w/ reznor and manson, all the true talent dissapeared... IMO, marilyn manson (the band) AFTER antichrist became somewhat of an imitation band. ya, on some albums (like mechanical animals) manson tried to take it to a different feel, but it never really worked for me. the albums like holy wood seem like manson trying to recreate the feel of antichrist w/o success.