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#61 Old 01-24-2011, 04:05 PM
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I thought it was fantastic. The final black swan dance was brilliant.

It was a bit weird watching it with my Dad, though.

hahaha! That must've been terrible.

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I haven't read the thread because I don't want to be spoilered, I'm still contemplating if I should go and see this one.

What I'd like to know beforehand: just how scary is it really? I'm easily freaked out by ghost stories and graphic violence, which is why I usually don't watch that kind of thing, but the movie still sounds really interesting. Think I'd make it through and then be able to sleep?

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I love this film so much so that I've actually seen it twice. I like films that keep you thinking (and talking) way after you watched them. I think it was well done but alot of people seem to miss the point of the film in my opinion and then say that it is rubbish. It really sucks you in and makes you feel abit like your the one going crazy :-O
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I love this film so much so that I've actually seen it twice. I like films that keep you thinking (and talking) way after you watched them. I think it was well done but alot of people seem to miss the point of the film in my opinion and then say that it is rubbish. It really sucks you in and makes you feel abit like your the one going crazy :-O

I enjoy those kinds of movies. And this one was deftl'y one of them

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I haven't read the thread because I don't want to be spoilered, I'm still contemplating if I should go and see this one.

What I'd like to know beforehand: just how scary is it really? I'm easily freaked out by ghost stories and graphic violence, which is why I usually don't watch that kind of thing, but the movie still sounds really interesting. Think I'd make it through and then be able to sleep?

It was more creepy and disturbing than violent or scary, IMO.

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i thought it was more startling and creepy. because there were times where i jumped, for sure, but not like, cover my eyes scary.

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I haven't read the thread because I don't want to be spoilered, I'm still contemplating if I should go and see this one.

What I'd like to know beforehand: just how scary is it really? I'm easily freaked out by ghost stories and graphic violence, which is why I usually don't watch that kind of thing, but the movie still sounds really interesting. Think I'd make it through and then be able to sleep?

could be a spoiler for those who haven't seen it, but Kjesta, here are the "bloodiest" parts (without really giving too much away):
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hangnail gone wild, someone stabbing their own face with a nail file and an injury involving a sliver of glass...i admit i had to cover my eyes for the middle one.

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I saw it. I was a bit turned off by the gratuitous black and white imagery, total lack of subtlety, and alterations to the classic plot of Swan Lake, but overall I'm glad I saw it. I would say it was "good," not awesome, and recommend it to people. I did like how many strong female roles there were in it and appreciated what I considered to be the major theme--the destructive power of striving for ideal female beauty. It would be very interesting to do a full essay analyzing the film from a feminist vantage point. Perhaps I will do this sometime.

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WHILE I AM NOT DISCUSSING PLOT, SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK THERE ARE SPOILERS IN THIS POST. (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, LOST FANS.) I THINK IF YOU CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT NON-SPOILER SPOILERS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS THREAD TO BEGIN WITH, KTHNX.

Fair warning aside...

I thought I would never forgive Aronofsky for the pathetic display that caused douchers the world around to quiver in their pants and choke out idiocy like "Aronofsky has a vision, maaaaaaaan." I speak, of course, of Requiem for a Dream. But I really liked The Wrestler, so I decided I'd see Black Swan. And it was... In simplest terms, it was worth it.

The negative first: Black Swan was clearly ham-fisted. Every-friggin-where. From the OMFG!SYMBOLISM to the obnoxioiusly overused "I'm walking down the street and holy ****, lookit that cinéma vérité, *****es!" nonsense to the noise of the subway sounding like wing-beats... It was just clumsy. I actually did something I NEVER do, and spoke (well, whispered) while in the movie theater. I leaned over to my brother and said, "Hey, so, do you think obsession ever becomes madness?!?! After having it pointed out seven thousand times, I still can't be sure." (In related news, I'm an *******.)

And I completely agree with some people's reviews that it had really strong elements of Aronofsky doing what he does best which is, let's face it, gathering a crowd so he can measure his movie-making-dick in public. <-- I'm paraphrasing a weensy bit.

BUT. I'm quite glad I saw it. Special effects were very nicely used. The sensory discomfort was very effectively done and I was cringing and curling my toes and I swear I spent half the ride home checking for hangnails. And you know what? I'm really happy movies like this can get made, made fairly well, and can be brought to a large audience successfully. We need a lot more Black Swans and a lot fewer Marmadukes, yanno?

Though it's about Inception, a blogger wrote this, and I think it applies to Black Swan as well:

Aronofsky went for it. He didn't sear my soul, but it was a solid effort. And the fact that so many people liked it gives me hope.

Glad it was made. Glad I saw it.

I agree with this.
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I would agree that it was very contrived and in your face. Subtletly? What subtlety? Reminded me of something a film student would come out with to try to have "meaning". I didnt realise it was by the same guy who did Requiem but now I know (knew i recognised the name) I can completely see the similarities. Just basically try hard.

It was OK, but I cant get over that meh feeling. I think its due to all the hype which made me expect it to be really good, so I was more let down when I didnt enjoy it.
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It was cute. A wee bit slow but good!

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It was cute. A wee bit slow but good!

Cute? Never thought anyone would describe it that way.

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I loved it.
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Cute? Never thought anyone would describe it that way.

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I saw this today.

It seems the accusation that the symbolism was "heavy-handed" or non-subtle was frequently repeated in this thread. I guess I'm not particularly good at noticing or interpreting symbolism, because I didn't get that from this movie at all. Or perhaps -- and this is more likely -- I was too busy being absorbed by the story, the emotionally affecting acting, the soundtrack and the various visual tricks, to give a **** about how much symbolism there was and how it relates to the standards for the use of symbolism in film in general.

Were some of the characters stereotypical, such as Cassel's? Maybe. But it didn't make me annoyed about cliches, it rather contributed an overall feeling of the story being universal, maybe something more like a parable than real life. In general, I felt that there were a few clear themes that the film wanted to convey, and that all aspects of film-making successfully supported those themes; i.e. nothing felt arbitrarily added on or unrelated.

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nothing felt arbitrarily added on or unrelated.

Really? You thought that?! I thought that the mother character was an overused cliche that did nothing to further the story, not to mention the dance tutor. If they were going to make a boring film about rivalry, I'd rather it was just stripped down, the supporting characters didn't really add anything for me...

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Really? You thought that?! I thought that the mother character was an overused cliche that did nothing to further the story, not to mention the dance tutor. If they were going to make a boring film about rivalry, I'd rather it was just stripped down, the supporting characters didn't really add anything for me...

I thought the mother character was crucial in (partially) explaining why Nina was in the mental situation she was in. If you have a character who's hovering somewhere between childhood and an adulthood that is looming as something threatening, is not an overly controlling parent a rather natural psychological element to include?

As to the dance tutor, to me he represented not just the cruel aspects of competition, fame etc. in the world of performing, but also a threatening and violative kind of male sexuality that, again, contributed to explaining why Nina was in the state she was in. If I had to name a character that I thought was less essential, I'd say Winona Ryder's character, but she was there to show Nina's future --
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hinted at, certainly, by the dance tutor calling Nina a "princess" at the end, which was a chilling detail


I personally didn't see the film to be so much about rivalry. I saw the threat from a rival as merely one element among others creating incredible pressure on the road to perfection. I thought the movie was more about Nina's struggles with herself than about her struggles with a rival.

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That might also have been a good way for Aronofsky to take the film, but unfortunately so much of the imagery and script was based on the duality between Portman and Kunis. It wasn't personal enough, because it was so involved with her interactions with Kunis.
Like the Wrestler, Aronofsky was just riffing on the most boring and stereotypical elements in this sort of story, not really introducing any depth or flair to it. If another director had produced them, I would be impressed, but Aronofsky... Darren, I feel like he'd be cool with me called him Daz, I think Daz is capable of so much more.
Both the mother character and dance tutor seemed... weak, inserted because it was a woman in the lead. If Portman's character had shut herself off from everyone in the driven and cinematically 'male' way I think that it would have made a more interesting film.

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That might also have been a good way for Aronofsky to take the film, but unfortunately so much of the imagery and script was based on the duality between Portman and Kunis. It wasn't personal enough, because it was so involved with her interactions with Kunis.

To me, her interactions with Kunis weren't qualitatively different, in terms of the significance of the conflicts involved and how they explained her character and choices, than her interactions with her mother or the dance tutor. I think it was established at many points that she was dealing more with her own projections placed on Kunis's character than with the actual person.

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Like the Wrestler, Aronofsky was just riffing on the most boring and stereotypical elements in this sort of story, not really introducing any depth or flair to it.

Could you name other very similar films with the same elements? Because I might like them, having liked this one too.

(similar to the Black Swan I mean, not to the Wrestler)

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Hmmm... seeing as how you read the film as a more personal thing, you might enjoy Aronofsky's first film, Py. I think it's a lot better realised as a tale of obsession. I wouldn't be quite as crass as Kirkpatrick was, but I can see his point comparing it to Burlesque/Showgirls too. Art School Confidential too has a similar theme of obsession, though the mother is absent and replaced with the different attitudes of the various art tutors and students.

And even if the scenes with Kunis were her projections, I don't understand then why there was so much focus on the idea of duality and dichotomy. Obviously it was with the black and white swan, but then to have Kunis there... It felt confused, and heavy handed.

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And even if the scenes with Kunis were her projections, I don't understand then why there was so much focus on the idea of duality and dichotomy. Obviously it was with the black and white swan, but then to have Kunis there... It felt confused, and heavy handed.

I think the duality and dichotomy stemmed from how Nina was essentially trapped between two worlds: that of a child and that of an adult.

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I do plan to see this film, but I have not read most for the posts for fear of spoiling it for myself, but I would like to know what are peoples opinions of The Fountain, also by Aronovsky. I really loved that film, and it was one of the very few films i have seen that have rendered me speechless for a few minutes.

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I didn't dislike the Fountain, nor was I particularly moved by it. Maybe it was too difficult. I think Black Swan is simpler but also more "to the point". Concise.

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I think Black Swan is simpler but also more "to the point". Concise.

Sums it up pretty well. I adore The Fountain, and all of Aronofsky's pre-Wrestler work, I think it's superior to the Oscar-winning stuff.

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I adore Requiem. I think Black Swan is similar to it in the sense of mood and style: Sara Goldfarb's (sp?) hallucinations about the tv show for example, and Requiem got very dramatic near the end.

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