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Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.
From 'junk food vegans' to raw food vegans - and everything in between - there's a version of veganism to suit everyone. Yet one thing we all have in common is a plant-based diet avoiding all animal foods such as meat, dairy, eggs and honey - as well as products like leather and any tested on animals. |
"Now listen, I know you've got to think about your image, 'cause image is important to you, because of course your friends are gonna dictate your actions through the rest of your lives, and I wouldn't want you to step away from them and become an individual, that would almost be too much!"...
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What makes it "the official" position? Because two vegan groups say it? Vegan Outreach and numerous other prominent vegans don't think honey, or similar issues, should be a litmus test for veganism.
I think honey eating vegans have more to worry about than whether this or that vegan society thinks they are vegan or not. Who cares? |
So just so I understand things correctly, so its only the people that follow the Vegan Societies version of veganism that should be posting in the vegan forum? Or, at the very least, any vegan that doesn't follow the vegan societies position cannot mention any viewpoints set forth by other vegan groups?
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It was explained in your own thread, Why are all threads on Honey being merged into a super thread? our policy on the Vegan Support forums. Perhaps you didn't read your thread, or should re-read it?
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Naturally I read the thread I created, but that was about which threads were going to get merged into the honey super thread (this thread) and doesn't address the question I just asked. To ask again, if veggieboards is equating "vegan" with the positions of the vegan society what are vegans that are influenced by other vegan groups suppose to do with respect to the vegan forum? Are they not suppose to post? Are they allowed to post but can't mention views that differ from the vegan society?
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It's the position of VB to support both vegetarians and vegans. It's why we have separate forums for these two lifestyles. Vegans are not permitted to argue against vegetarianism in the Vegetarian forums. If you encounter violations of this, you should report it to the mods. By the same token, arguments in favor of non-vegan foods should be kept out of the Vegan forums. It's not so much a question of what you say, as of where you say it; however, be aware that attempts to redefine veganism to include non-vegan foods and practices will likely be moved to The Compost Heap, and if they're specifically about honey, to the Honey Superthread. We are not going to change the definition of veganism, for the sake of those wishing to call themselves vegan, while practicing a non-vegan lifestyle. We also have General Food Discussion and General Health Discussion forums, and The Veggie Patch, which is for "off-topic" conversations, such as ethical considerations and what-not.
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Then why "call out" vegans for eschewing honey while still eating plants pollinated by them?
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I believe you actually called us "dry drunks." That is name calling as well as calling out vegans for not being vegan enough.
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From your own thread:
If you have difficulty following or comprehending these policies, perhaps you should post elsewhere. |
I'm a vegetarian but I cut out honey as well and I guess if you avoid it enough your gut cannot tolerate because at a potluck I tried a veggie salad that had an asian sauce with honey in it (unknown to me) and I could not stop throwing up until I felt the honey coming back up my throat. Did any one else have this reaction? When I googled reaction/ intolerance to honey I only get allergic reactions like swelling and bumps.
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Nope, happened with pumpkin butter and nuts that had honey too, I guess I built up an intolerance, it is the worst feeling in the world and it's hidden in more things than you'd think so I have to be really careful at restaurants to avoid certain dressings, nuts even desserts.
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It's maddening how much stuff has honey added to it. There are so many breads, sauces, cereals, granola bars, even teas, etc that would be vegan if not for the honey. There is a local progressive bakery in my town that used to make a lot of vegan breads and cookies. But they decided to start adding honey to almost all of them. Sighs.
One thing I don't get is those who argue that humans using honey is actually ensuring the survival of the honeybee. The sheer and vast amount of honey used in commercial food makes me wonder though just HOW MUCH honey humans think they "need" to use to ensure their survival. |
The mass production of honey (and why it's a cheap enough ingredient to be found in so many prepared foods) is driven by the commercial bee industry that is necessary to pollinate many foods (including foods eaten in quantity by vegans).
If more people kept bees on a small scale, there would be less need for what I would call the "factory farming" of bees - those large operations where bees are transported from place to place, to pollinate crops in their various seasons. It's that kind of beekeeping which causes so many bee deaths, both immediately and as a result of the long term stresses to animals who are very location oriented. (Conscientious beekeepers know that great care must be given if a hive is to be moved even a couple of feet.) Honey, as it is found in so many prepared foods and in the grocery stores, is simply a byproduct of the primary industry, which is the pollination of crops such as almonds, etc. That's why it's rather disingenuous to decry the consumption of honey while still eating the foods which are the primary reason bees are abused on a large scale. |
So honey is actually a byproduct of the need to pollinate crops?
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