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#31 Old 12-05-2008, 06:54 PM
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Nuthin' wrong with your honey, big boy.



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#32 Old 12-05-2008, 07:07 PM
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The only reason I can come up with in defense of humans eating honey is the enjoyment from placing a jar of honey on the kitchen table and when entering the house, yelling "honey, I'm home".



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Anyway, I learned in one of the previous threads that organic honey production is much different than regular honey production. Maybe I'll do a search and find the link that someone else provided. I can't see a problem with taking excess honey from a hive provided that none of the bees are harmed and that extra honey is kept on hand should the bees need it (I think they do that with organic honey production). But yeah, for myself, I ask the question "what's right with honey?" -- I don't need it so why eat it? I'd rather just eat other foods.



I'm not near happy with the source of most of the foods I eat right now but that is slowly changing and at some point I hope to be eating healthy, whole foods and I would encourage lots of different pollinating insects to live in/near the garden/farm. If some honey bees set up shop I'd let them make their honey and eat their honey and I'd only collect one jar and give it to Sevenseas so when he gets home he can say "honey, I'm home".
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Oops....I'm a Vegetarian that is also a Beekeeper.

We took up Beekeeping to combat the damage Commercial Beekeepers are causing with their chemicals and forced migrations of colonies.

It is the Hobbiest Beekeepers that are going to save the species. IMHO



Could you not attempt to save the species without stealing their honey?



As for the people who call honey "bee's vomit", I think this is so disrespectful to the bees. It's not vomit. It's their food and they work bloody hard to produce it.
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#34 Old 12-06-2008, 03:14 AM
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Could you not attempt to save the species without stealing their honey?



As for the people who call honey "bee's vomit", I think this is so disrespectful to the bees. It's not vomit. It's their food and they work bloody hard to produce it.



I don't feel the bees possess the ability to read, comprehend, or be offended by our declarations of "bee vomit."



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I am neutral about honey, I don't consume it by the jar but I can't say that I avoid it in certain breads. I still feel vegan. Someone probably mentioned it in the countless pages I skipped but those considering honey to be "cruel" to bee's are eating the fruits that bees help produce (as they carry stamen juice to the pistil for pollination). I guess creating fruit through pollination isn't vegan either. Because bee farms help crops too. What is the world coming to? The same people saying that honey isn't vegan are driving to the market and killing other insects on their jolly way to buying honey-less bread.



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The same people saying that honey isn't vegan are driving to the market and killing other insects on their jolly way to buying honey-less bread.








And the same people saying that veal isn't vegetarian are driving to the market picking up cartons of milk from the same cows that are the source of veal calves.

We all take steps to do what we can. For most vegans, reducing honey is a small step compared to the rest that veganism entails - so why not give it up? There are plenty of sweeteners available.
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We all take steps to do what we can. For most vegans, reducing honey is a small step compared to the rest that veganism entails - so why not give it up? There are plenty of sweeteners available.



That's how I feel! While I am not as opposed to honey as I might be to dairy and egg production, I avoid honey out of vegan solidarity if nothing else.
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I am neutral about honey, I don't consume it by the jar but I can't say that I avoid it in certain breads. I still feel vegan.





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As for the people who call honey "bee's vomit", I think this is so disrespectful to the bees. It's not vomit. It's their food and they work bloody hard to produce it.



And what else are we supposed to call regurgitated food? They do work hard for it. And cows chew their cud, old food they brought back up. It is what they do. It doesn't make it gross.



But it makes a good reason for HUMANS (who do not do such things) to stay away from it.
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And what else are we supposed to call regurgitated food?

Technically, regurgitation and vomit are two different things. Often a vet will want to know, for example, whether an animal is vomiting, which can be a sign of serious disease, or regurgitating, which often occurs in cats who eat too much food too damn fast, and it pops out within minutes, without ever making it to the stomach. When birds bring home food to their nestlings, they regurgitate it from their crops, rather than vomiting it from their stomachs. With bees, its more likely to be classed as a regurgitation, but I don't know for sure.

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There's never been a better time to be a half-assed vegetarian. Five years ago, the American Dialect Society honored the word flexitarian for its utility in describing a growing demographic—the "vegetarian who occasionally eats meat." Now there's evidence that going flexi is good for the environment and good for your health. A study released last October found that a plant-based diet, augmented with a small amount of dairy and meat, maximizes land-use efficiency. In January, Michael Pollan distilled the entire field of nutritional science into three rules for a healthy diet: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." According to a poll released last week, Americans seem to be listening: Thirteen percent of U.S. adults are "semivegetarian," meaning they eat meat with fewer than half of all their meals. In comparison, true vegetarians—those who never, ever consume animal flesh—compose just 1 percent.



I'm posting this mainly because they linked to VB! Not real easy to spot but the second to last link on page one ("pearls aren't vegan") links to VB.



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Hey, cool that we got linked^^



Before this erupts into true honey debate, I want to put this up and then I'm done with the honey discussion.



http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm



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I find it somewhat amusing that he spends two pages basically going through the honey debate and then says it shouldn't be debated



It's cool that they linked us though!!!
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I do wish we could come across to the general public as having a lifestyle that is relatively easy to acheive rather than one of restriction and difficulty.

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I do wish we could come across to the general public as having a lifestyle that is relatively easy to acheive rather than one of restriction and difficulty.



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I do wish we could come across to the general public as having a lifestyle that is relatively easy to acheive rather than one of restriction and difficulty.



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I think omni's think they are complimenting you when they go, "Oh, I could never do that! You must have so much discipline!" In fact I find such statements to that effect annoying. My quality of life is not suffering, I'm well-fed and happy.



It's like they think they enjoy food so much more than you do. Very irritating.
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I think omni's think they are complimenting you when they go, "Oh, I could never do that! You must have so much discipline!" In fact I find such statements to that effect annoying. My quality of life is not suffering, I'm well-fed and happy.



It's like they think they enjoy food so much more than you do. Very irritating.



I'm always arguing with people about how I'm not suffering or exceptionally dedicated. I'm not dedicated. I'm lazy. Very very lazy and being vegan is just that easy, with the right mindset. It helps I don't eat out much, have friends that understand what vegan means and have a partner that is also vegan.
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namby-pamby... *giggles*
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I quite liked what Mathew Ball says at the end about how he personally won't eat any honey but at the same time recruiting 5 ppl who do is better than one who doesnt. I can see the logic behind that... plus you can always hope that those 5 ppl might change their mind over time.
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i eat honey and dont think ill give it up in the future

No matter how hyprocritical it sounds
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#51 Old 01-15-2009, 07:27 PM
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This guy defends honey being vegan:

http://www.satyamag.com/sept05/greger.html
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hmmmm that made a lot of sense...

I do only eat organic honey so :S

I guess im doing my tiny bit of help towards the bees hahahah
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hmmmm that made a lot of sense...

I do only eat organic honey so :S

I guess im doing my tiny bit of help towards the bees hahahah



What is organic honey? Bee food stolen from hives not built by humans?

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I guess im doing my tiny bit of help towards the bees hahahah

[ ] Yes you are

[x] I have no idea what you are talking about

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This guy defends honey being vegan:

And fails miserably.

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I'm actually wondering if I should reconsider my decision not to consume honey.



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There are virtually no wild honey bees left due to the effects of the parasitic varroa mite and the viruses it carries, and for which to date, there is no cure.



Beekeepers are now the sole guardians of the honey bee population in the UK. The British Bee Keepers Association is campaigning to get the Government to change its mind and increase research funding, so that we can protect our honey bees, before its too late.



http://www.britishbee.org.uk/bbka_research_campaign.php



Now, if the above is true, then maybe it would be more ethically responsible for me to financially fund bee-keepers by buying honey. I haven't decided yet, though.
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What is organic honey? Bee food stolen from hives not built by humans?

As far as I know, organic honey is made by bees that only had access to organic crops as food sources.



http://www.beedata.com/news/organichoney.htm
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Why not just support a bee sanctuary, and let the bees keep their honey?

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Why not just support a bee sanctuary, and let the bees keep their honey?

Are there such things?



Actually, come to think of it, I know of bumblebee sanctuaries, so it's not a far-fetched idea.
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From what I have read, all the major vegan societies disallow honey, but many individual vegans still use it.
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