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#1 Old 01-03-2009, 12:46 PM
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I'm curious as to where people stand on this issue. Not breast-feeding in public or breast-feeding in general, but about posting pictures on Facebook.



Personally, I think the Terms and Conditions are cut and dry, the pictures are innappropriate for Facebook (see examples).
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Personally, I think the Terms and Conditions are cut and dry, the pictures are innappropriate for Facebook (see examples).

i thought the newsreport was pretty good at showing how only a few of the pictures were in violation. i wouldn't say they're innappropriate, it's just a rule they put out to prevent something else. the slippery slope.

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That's what I'm talking about, the pictures that were removed showing all of the breast (the issue isn't all breast-feeding pictures, just the ones showing everything). I think they're innappropriate for Facebook. Just like with here, you sign up and agree to the terms.
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Agreed. Completely inappropriate.

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Just like with here, you sign up and agree to the terms.

I wouldn't describe our situation here as "cut and dry".

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I don't think it's cut and dry. Facebook user Code of Conduct bans:



* is obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit

* depicts graphic or gratuitous violence

* makes threats of any kind or that intimidates, harasses, or bullies anyone

* is derogatory, demeaning, malicious, defamatory, abusive, offensive or hateful



I think this is deeply related to public breastfeeding controversies, as the debate is whether or not breastfeeding is inappropriate, sexual, or "obscene."



My opinion: While I understand that breastfeeding is not sexual, our society deems bare breasts in public inappropriate. As a child, women's locker rooms and seeing mature boobs made me uncomfortable. Even at 19, I still feel uncomfortable if a woman is breastfeeding (my field hockey coach used to do it). I don't think it matters what the boobs are doing, they are still bare boobs. I do wish there was a better solution for these mothers, and the societal standards are arbitrary; I don't think these women can really get as upset as they get. They would probably be horrified if a woman was walking around topless near their children in any other condition.
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That's what I'm talking about, the pictures that were removed showing all of the breast (the issue isn't all breast-feeding pictures, just the ones showing everything).



they also said something about areola and nipple which I don't think is a real factor in "is obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit"

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It's not the act that's obscene, it's the breast showing. I don't mind it, but I know others do. When I'm in public, I don't mind seeing a woman feeding her child, it's when the nipple is showing where I think it crosses the line. If I took a picture of me with my boobs all the way out, I wouldn't dare put it on MySpace/Facebook. Putting a child in the picture with me wouldn't change the fact that my boobs are out in the open.



My sister was actually in a breastfeeding calender, her nipples were not showing. I think that breast-feeding a wonderful thing to share with your child, not everyone on your Facebook.
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It's not the act that's obscene, it's the breast showing. I don't mind it, but I know others do.

should you wear a headscarf because you'll be obscene to some others?


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eh, it's just the typically American hang up about boobs and breastfeeding in my opinion. i think that breastfeeding pics are quite different than pics of breasts where the intent is obviously sexual and most mature people could make the distinction if they actually put some thought into it. i understand that Facebook is probably trying to prevent other pics of breasts from adorning their pages, but at least in my opinion it is much ado about nothing. many people even get weirded out when a woman tries to breastfeed a child in public and say stupid crap like she should do it in the rest room. humans are the craziest people.
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I think the fact that the news had to censor the nude images she was in an uproar about is kinda telling as to whether they were obscene or not.

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I think the fact that the news had to censor the nude images she was in an uproar about is kinda telling as to whether they were obscene or not.

that's FCC guidelines, way different, for a ****load of reasons.

and with the FCC, they also aired Schindler's list on TV uninterupted and unedited with nudity and graphic violence.

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I think the fact that the news had to censor the nude images she was in an uproar about is kinda telling as to whether they were obscene or not.



ah, so if a censor censors something it is ALWAYS obscene eh? no thanks, i don't wish to cede my mind to others in that way
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A woman using her breasts for feeding her baby? For heaven sake isn't that what they are for?
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ah, so if a censor censors something it is ALWAYS obscene eh? no thanks, i don't wish to cede my mind to others in that way



Ok, then how about the fact that's shes nude? I know enough about breastfeeding to know it doesn't involve stripping. Her pictures were definitely over the line.

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A woman using her breasts for feeding her baby? For heaven sake isn't that what they are for?



That's crazy talk. They are obviously meant to be covered and worshipped in secret.
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Ok, then how about the fact that's shes nude? I know enough about breastfeeding to know it doesn't involve stripping. Her pictures were definitely over the line.

not my line. the grand ayatollah's? the FCC's?

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eh, it's just the typically American hang up about boobs and breastfeeding in my opinion. i think that breastfeeding pics are quite different than pics of breasts where the intent is obviously sexual and most mature people could make the distinction if they actually put some thought into it. i understand that Facebook is probably trying to prevent other pics of breasts from adorning their pages, but at least in my opinion it is much ado about nothing. many people even get weirded out when a woman tries to breastfeed a child in public and say stupid crap like she should do it in the rest room. humans are the craziest people.



I do think it's weird though... my friends on Facebook are high school friends, family friends, and family, I wouldn't want them seeing one of my boobs, breast-feeding or not. Plus, you got people who can hack and see these pictures... some likely view them in a sexual manner. I wouldn't want to put my image out there, especially with my child, that a person might... pleasure themself too. That's just weird.
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Ok, then how about the fact that's shes nude? I know enough about breastfeeding to know it doesn't involve stripping. Her pictures were definitely over the line.



That's how I see them too. My sister doesn't get naked to breastfeed.



Let me see if I can find a picture of my sister...
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I do think it's weird though... my friends on Facebook are high school friends, family friends, and family, I wouldn't want them seeing one of my boobs, breast-feeding or not. Plus, you got people who can hack and see these pictures... some likely view them in a sexual manner. I wouldn't want to put my image out there, especially with my child, that a person might... pleasure themself too. That's just weird.

well obviously other people are comfortable with it and you aren't being forced to put your pictures up.

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I'm on the fence with this. On one hand women have breasts in order to feed their child, plain and simple. I think it's very sad in this day and age that we can have magazines in plain view of anyone who walks by with scantily clad women (granted no bare breasts, but still very sexual) and that's normal, but when a woman breastfeeds in public, when she's covered up, she gets looks and people have to tell her to cover up more or leave the room and feed her child in the bathroom. As long as she's covered up, allow her to feed her child and be at peace.

I think people need to suck it up and realize that breastfeeding is perfectly natural.



On the other hand, I can see how these photos may violate the terms of facebook. It's nudity, plain and simple and they don't allow it. I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to post those pictures on facebook....why do I need to see a friend/relative, etc, of mine post photos of her breastfeeding child, doesnt' make sense. I have no problem with a mother breastfeeding (heck I did it and plan to with this next one) however I don't feel anyone needs to be exposed to my breasts in public, I would much rather cover up than get gawked at by someone who's hoping to catch a glimpse of my nipples, lol. I think if you're going to breastfeed, cover yourself up, nobody needs to see what's going on under there. No need to hide out in the washroom or feel ashamed, I just don't think it needs to be shared with the world, and the same goes with photos. JMO
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i dunno, i guess some folks just think bodies need to be covered and others think they don't need to be. i fall in the latter group. the silly idea that kids need to be shielded from even non-sexual portrayals of nudity so we can't let such pics be shown just perpetuates the cultural nuttiness regarding bodies in my opinion. whatever, i think i will go dance naked now.
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i dunno, i guess some folks just think bodies need to be covered and others think they don't need to be. i fall in the latter group. the silly idea that kids need to be shielded from even non-sexual portrayals of nudity so we can't let such pics be shown just perpetuates the cultural nuttiness regarding bodies in my opinion. whatever, i think i will go dance naked now.



I feel the same, what on earth is wrong with nudity? I might resort to a nekkid dance meself.
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The human body is completely inappropriate. Imagine if one of those poor college kids saw a nipple! Oh the humanity...



I stand firm in my belief that individuals have no right to share their personal lives as they see fit. Frankly, their lives are none of their business! Someone could be offended, and we just cannot sit by idly while the easily offended are offended!
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On the other hand, I can see how these photos may violate the terms of facebook. It's nudity, plain and simple and they don't allow it.

nudity isn't prohibited by the facebook code of conduct.

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if it's one of those then they are calling these pictures "obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit."



is nudity always "obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit"? not in my book.

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Argh, people are such prudes! A boob is a boob, 50% of the worlds population have them, we've all seen them before. If a woman wants to post her half naked self on facebook with her child I say good on her. The more acceptable breast feeding and showing boobage in public is the better. Social networking sites are the future so the more images of good things like breastfeeding we have on them the better. If i'm right in thinking that facebook has age guidelines/limits for usage? Something like no under 14's? So technically only over 14's should be seeing these images, which is acceptable, pretty much every 14 year old on earth these days has seen a naked body of the opposite and same sex so they won't be shocked.



I really hate people seeing breast feeding and naked breasts of a breastfeeding woman as sexual. Thats what they're designed for people, get over it or get off the planet. God help my friends and family if I ever procreate, my boobs will be out all over the place, if for no other reason than to prove a point. After you've given birth you've lost most of that fear of showing your naked body anyway so i say out with it all! We really need to be educating young people that breast is best, that it's natural and the first choice, not the thing hippy weird people do. The more we spend time banning these types of images and arguing over breast feeding in pubic the more weird breast feeding seems. We need to be catching young women and men in their teens and showing them this is normal, that it's not sexual, that it's not odd and hippy, it's just life.
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I'm on the fence with this. On one hand women have breasts in order to feed their child, plain and simple. I think it's very sad in this day and age that we can have magazines in plain view of anyone who walks by with scantily clad women (granted no bare breasts, but still very sexual) and that's normal, but when a woman breastfeeds in public, when she's covered up, she gets looks and people have to tell her to cover up more or leave the room and feed her child in the bathroom. As long as she's covered up, allow her to feed her child and be at peace.

I think people need to suck it up and realize that breastfeeding is perfectly natural.



On the other hand, I can see how these photos may violate the terms of facebook. It's nudity, plain and simple and they don't allow it. I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to post those pictures on facebook....why do I need to see a friend/relative, etc, of mine post photos of her breastfeeding child, doesnt' make sense. I have no problem with a mother breastfeeding (heck I did it and plan to with this next one) however I don't feel anyone needs to be exposed to my breasts in public, I would much rather cover up than get gawked at by someone who's hoping to catch a glimpse of my nipples, lol. I think if you're going to breastfeed, cover yourself up, nobody needs to see what's going on under there. No need to hide out in the washroom or feel ashamed, I just don't think it needs to be shared with the world, and the same goes with photos. JMO



Well said, this is my stance exactly.



Plus, the photos they took down were tagged as inappropriate by their own friends/family. It can be very offensive to some.
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Note, this image may be offensive to some, don't click if you don't like seeing any part of a womans breast.



I think this picture is appropriate for MySpace/Facebook/whatever.



I don't think this one is:







There's no reason both boobs need to be out and in sight. If she covered the other breast that her child was not using, it wouldn't have been an issue.
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nudity isn't prohibited by the facebook code of conduct.

http://www.facebook.com/codeofconduct.php

if it's one of those then they are calling these pictures "obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit."



is nudity always "obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit"? not in my book.

Nor in mine! If they don't want nudity, that's fine with me. People shouldn't have to look at nudity if they don't want to, but to remove photos of topless women breastfeeding their kids on the grounds of obscenity? Jesuschristinasidecar, what kinds of sad, perverted individuals see anything even remotely sexual enough in a photo of a woman - yes even a topless one with both breasts exposed - breastfeeding her kid that they would brand it obscene, pornographic, or sexually explicit? That's not mere prudery, that's sick.

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