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#1 Old 11-18-2008, 01:24 PM
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We have two dogs, one is almost 8 & the other is 11, their furry brother & my best little friend in the whole wide world Sparky died in July at the age of 14. We were planning on gettting a puppy to add to our doggy family so we could be part of his/her life from the beginning. However, with the amount of dogs in need of homes I'm starting to think we'd be better to give one a happy life. I'm confused, any advice?
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#2 Old 11-18-2008, 01:55 PM
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Call your local animal shelter. They might not have any tiny baby pups, but they're likely to have some dogs available that are under a year old.



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Our shelter ALWAYS has puppies. We adopt out puppies at 12 weeks (or there abouts). Do check out your local rescue groups.



Also, our shelter often has young dogs - a year or two old. These dogs are frequently housebroken, are mostly past the chewing stage, and have a little more common sense than the young pups.

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#4 Old 11-18-2008, 02:53 PM
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I agree with Poppy. We live with two dogs, one we got as a puppy years ago, and one we rescued as a two year old. It was brilliant to get a dog that was house trained and knew basic commands, especially if you have kids. You'd be busy enough training them! I also got our cat from a shelter and she is the best, such a calm nature.
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I think there are plenty of pups who need a home but be sure to get one on death row.
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#6 Old 11-18-2008, 03:44 PM
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Adopt a puppy.
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I have a question. I've never had a puppy, but I've been told that it costs a lot to have one, because of all the shots and medical procedures that need to be taken care of during that portion of the dog's life. So it's always seemed to me that the most cost-effective way to get a dog is to adopt an adult, which is what I've always done. You pay the adoption fee and you're done, except for booster shots, which are ridiculously cheap. My local vet has a free clinic every month where you get the whole panel for $15. But someday, just once in my life, I want a puppy. A dog to call my very own. If I get one from the pound, will it be less expensive, more expensive, or the same as buying one at the pet store? Do some of the shots get taken care of at the pound before you take the dog home? Obviously there's a clear moral advantage to getting a pound dog, but is there any financial advantage?
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Why would you support petstore puppies?

They're typically kept in horrible conditions, and end up with behaviour problems.

If you want one, go to a proper breeder rather than supporting a pet store.
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A proper breeder? What is that?
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A proper breeder? What is that?



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I have a question. I've never had a puppy, but I've been told that it costs a lot to have one, because of all the shots and medical procedures that need to be taken care of during that portion of the dog's life. So it's always seemed to me that the most cost-effective way to get a dog is to adopt an adult, which is what I've always done. You pay the adoption fee and you're done, except for booster shots, which are ridiculously cheap. My local vet has a free clinic every month where you get the whole panel for $15. But someday, just once in my life, I want a puppy. A dog to call my very own. If I get one from the pound, will it be less expensive, more expensive, or the same as buying one at the pet store? Do some of the shots get taken care of at the pound before you take the dog home? Obviously there's a clear moral advantage to getting a pound dog, but is there any financial advantage?



Yep.



Our local shelter has an adoption fee of $125.00. For that, your dog (puppy or adult) is neutered, micro-chipped, checked for diseases and treated if needed, current on vaccinations according to age, has no fleas, has a pedicure and a bath, and has a collar and a leash. We also give 1 month of heartworm preventative, and a five pound bag of Science Diet appropriate for the age. That's a great bargain!



If you adopt a puppy from us, there's a chance you will need to get more puppy shots (here, the series is 3 rounds of shots, I believe) but that's all.

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A proper breeder? What is that?





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To answer your question, yes, it selfish, if you get a puppy from a store. But, as mentioned before, there are many puppies in shelters, most soon to be put down. Please, save an animals life and help stop puppy mills, and adopt your puppy.
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a proper breeder? What is that?



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To answer your question, yes, it selfish, if you get a puppy from a store. But, as mentioned before, there are many puppies in shelters, most soon to be put down. Please, save an animals life and help stop puppy mills, and adopt your puppy.



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Our local shelter has an adoption fee of $125.00.

And that's tax deductible, right?
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And that's tax deductible, right?





I honestly don't know, but I haven't heard that it is.

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Many shelters will have puppies, often they are unwanted litters turned in or from pregnant dogs that are found or turned in. How much the adoption price is or what is included varies by shelter. Most include at least one distemper vaccine, a deworming, fecal and spay/neuter.



Probably less than 1% of people who purposely allow their dogs to get pregnant are "proper breeders". They know the bloodlines of the parents and screen them for potential genetic disorders. They will get the parents checked for specific roblems inherent within the breed (ie. many large breed dogs get OFA certfication hips, a specialist looks at xrays and says the dog's hips are good). They screen potential buyers and have contracts that require the dog to be returned to them if they can't keep the dog (ie. they care where the pups go instead of letting a store sell them to anyone). I'm assuming this is what was meant.
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I have found that rescuing dogs are more loyal to you and make much better pets then ones from a petstore. Do you know where most of the dogs come from at a petstore? I bet you even the petstore owner doesn't even know. A lot of them come from illegal backyard breeders looking to make a quick buck and puppymills where they are kept in bad conditions and a lot of the times the puppies are sold sick. There are dogs from all ages at the shelters, so I am sure you can find one there. Good Luck!
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Why would you support petstore puppies?

Oh God noI didn't mean it that way. I'm asking so that I can obtain information that I can use to persuade other people to adopt rescues. Someday I want a puppy, but I my wife and I would never in a million years even consider buying one from a pet store.
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I have found that rescuing dogs are more loyal to you and make much better pets then ones from a petstore.



You know.. you don't have to make stuff up to prove your point.
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Thanks guys, I don't believe I overlooked the fact that there would be pups/younger dogs to adopt! Pet stores where I live in Northern Ireland don't sell dogs, as far as I'm aware it's illegal in fact it's pretty difficult to find a store which sells animals of any sort at least in my local area (which is a good thing). More often than not people just buy from owners who have had a pet whose had pups (usually accidentally) which obviously shouldn't be encouraged, however it is a fact of life & those pups deserve loving homes as well. My local shelter has had very successful press campaigns recently & rehomed lots of dogs so I'll pop in when I have a chance. Thanks again guys.
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Thanks guys, I don't believe I overlooked the fact that there would be pups/younger dogs to adopt! Pet stores where I live in Northern Ireland don't sell dogs, as far as I'm aware it's illegal in fact it's pretty difficult to find a store which sells animals of any sort at least in my local area (which is a good thing). More often than not people just buy from owners who have had a pet whose had pups (usually accidentally) which obviously shouldn't be encouraged, however it is a fact of life & those pups deserve loving homes as well. My local shelter has had very successful press campaigns recently & rehomed lots of dogs so I'll pop in when I have a chance. Thanks again guys.



I've just been to NI to do some welfare work and all I can say is that believe me that you will, without any doubt, be able to find a puppy in rescue. Ireland is absolutely riddled with puppy farms both north and south of the boarder, according to the USPCA NI is the puppy farming capital of Europe.



Absolutely do not be tempted to get a puppy from anywhere other than a rescue or a licenced, reputable breeder (that has the waiting lists, working credentials and health test results to prove it). That 'accedental' litter in the paper is often really a puppy farmed dog being sold through a third party, that's how they dupe people. If a puppy is really a result of an accedental mating then they should only be rehomed with rescue backup, not through the paper for profit. For the sort of dog you want definately go with a rescue.



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Probably less than 1% of people who purposely allow their dogs to get pregnant are "proper breeders". They know the bloodlines of the parents and screen them for potential genetic disorders. They will get the parents checked for specific roblems inherent within the breed (ie. many large breed dogs get OFA certfication hips, a specialist looks at xrays and says the dog's hips are good). They screen potential buyers and have contracts that require the dog to be returned to them if they can't keep the dog (ie. they care where the pups go instead of letting a store sell them to anyone). I'm assuming this is what was meant.



^^ Correct. I would also add that a good breeder will only breed from dogs that are an example of excellence in working, show or temprement tests and will not restrict themselves to a closed gene pool. For those that want to see the continuation of the human/dog relationship and want the domestic canine to be as physicaslly and mentally sound as it can be, then good breeding is necessary. For those who would rather the domestic canine died out then I can understand why there would be no such thing as a good breeder but a distinction must be made between what I would call a 'good breeder' and a puppy farmer/byb.
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Wow, the European capital of puppy farming? I had no idea! I think I've been slightly ignorant about the whole process, my other dogs were bought when I was a kid. Thanks Glitterpixie & well done for the welfare work!
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You know.. you don't have to make stuff up to prove your point.





im actually not making it up. I have a rescued dog and in the past I have had actual dogs from pet stores. My dog now is more loyal to me, almost as if he knows I am giving him a second chance. So no, im not just making it up. Also, I have had friends and family members rescue dogs and they too can see that thier dogs are more loyal.
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Maybe you treated your other dogs poorly then.
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Wow, that is not a cool thing to say!
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A well treated dog is going to be loyal no matter where they came from.
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Well, cool or not, I have to agree with Marie. At 8 weeks old a puppy is not going to somehow know it was sold at a pet store as opposed to sold at a rescue. Same dog will be the same dog where-ever you purchase him or her from. The difference comes from training and treatment. Some people might find older dogs rescued from pounds better behaved (more "loyal") simply because someone has trained them before they got to you.

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