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#31 Old 08-14-2008, 12:38 PM
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I never posted in either thread, but I did read them. I thought about posting, but the OP was getting so upset over the other posts that I didn't want to get into it. Any sensible l/o vegetarian would see that the section posted about veganism was a huge crock. No one made any personal attacks towards the OP, everyone was respectable and I didn't see any reason for the OP to feel attacked or defensive.



Well said. Hopefully people will read and try to understand rabid-child's explanation of what an attack is. It wasn't happening in that thread.



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Maybe that's something to ask the mods. But I hardly think the intent of the current rule system was to apply it to outside links. The site she posted was pro-vegetarian and was in the correct forum. People who disagreed could have easily opened their own thread in the appropriate place to debate it. Which they did anyway after they ruined a support thread.



I certainly would expect it to apply to outside links. People were directed to that link and vegans (and vegetarians) are allowed to read threads in all the support forums. It seems very reasonable to expect vegans (and vegetarians) to read that misinformation and to therefore comment on it, to "post factual information to the contrary" as Michael puts it. That's allowed. It seemed the OP from that thread just couldn't say "thanks, please post a link to correct the misinformation and then we can move on and discuss the rest of the site." And then the thread could've moved on.
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#32 Old 08-14-2008, 12:39 PM
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It wasn't solely a bashing page, it was a pro-vegetarian site.



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The link in the other thread was not to a pro-vegetarian site. It was to a pro-vegetarian & anti-vegan site.


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Yes, that's why I said "pro-vegetarian & anti-vegan site". If I had meant "solely a bashing page", I would have said "anti-vegan site".

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It wasn't solely a bashing page, it was a pro-vegetarian site.



I would think it should promote all aspects of vegetarianism to be a pro-vegetarian site
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So your saying if my blog wasn't completely supportive of veganism I couldn't have it in my signature?

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no, im not saying anything about what someone can post. i'm just saying a site that is against one particular sect of vegetarianism (veganism), can't be a completely pro vegetarian site.



If you're blog bashed vegans or negatively promoted the lifestyle, I would not consider it a completely vegetarian site. -speaking of your blog i like it
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So your saying if my blog wasn't completely supportive of veganism I couldn't have it in my signature?



Not if you're posting in the support forums!
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i'm just saying a site that is against one particular sect of vegetarianism (veganism), can't be a completely pro vegetarian site.

I think the part about it being full of inaccuracies is vital to this discussion as well.

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My Dad doesn't like the lettuceleaf website.
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Ah then all the go vegan types of signatures would have to go.

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Ah then all the go vegan types of signatures would have to go.



That is not true, just because my sig says go vegan doesn't negatively promote vegetarianism, where the site in question did negatively promote veganism
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Vegans *are* vegetarians.

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Vegans *are* vegetarians.



Yes, the *real* ones [/joke]
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Maybe that's something to ask the mods. But I hardly think the intent of the current rule system was to apply it to outside links. The site she posted was pro-vegetarian and was in the correct forum. People who disagreed could have easily opened their own thread in the appropriate place to debate it. Which they did anyway after they ruined a support thread.



I think you're misunderstanding the difference between support and agreement. We aren't asking anyone to agree with what everyone says in a support forum. No one was telling the OP in that thread not to be vegetarian, or to be vegan. No one was attacking her character (or daddy's), or her decisions. Her opinion was that the sun rose and set by that website, and other people disagreed. The thread was quite supportive of her vegetarianism, and many of the people congratulated the efforts of her family despite their not liking the website, and others disagreed with the website and offered links to places they found more informative. I think what ruined the thread was the fact that certain participants could not understand the difference between dissonance and personal attacks.



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Well said. Hopefully people will read and try to understand rabid-child's explanation of what an attack is. It wasn't happening in that thread.



Was this my rubbish explanation?

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Vegans *are* vegetarians.



No, they are not.



I will use another example to get across why I disagree absolutely.



Let's say you have two groups of people. One group is against racism towards, let's say white people, but not towards people of other skin colours. Let's call them the "A-racists". Another group is against racism towards ALL people, regardless of their skin colour. Let's call them the "B-anti-racists."



Would you say that the B-anti-racists *are" A-racists?



A vegan is not a vegetarian. Anymore than a cat is a dog, although they are both non-human animals.
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Thanks, rabid_child.

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That is not true, just because my sig says go vegan doesn't negatively promote vegetarianism, where the site in question did negatively promote veganism



You can't 'negatively promote' vegetarianism. Either you're promoting it or not. From what I have seen the site in question makes a decent case for vegetarianism and gives some examples of vegan bias.
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I got through about 2 paragraphs of that stupid ass site and couldnt read anymore.If that wasnt made by the dairy industry then its one dumbass vegetarian.
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No, they are not.



I will use another example to get across why I disagree absolutely.



Let's say you have two groups of people. One group is against racism towards, let's say white people, but not towards people of other skin colours. Let's call them the "A-racists". Another group is against racism towards ALL people, regardless of their skin colour. Let's call them the "B-anti-racists."



Would you say that the B-anti-racists *are" A-racists?



A vegan is not a vegetarian. Anymore than a cat is a dog, although they are both non-human animals.



Being against a certain kind or racism but not another still makes you a racist. Not eating meat is an absolute choice.



Vegans are a subset of vegetarians, by diet.



By ethics - you'll have to take that up with all the vegan honey or whey eaters, the leather wearing and non leather wearing vegans, wool buying, pet-owning, zoo-going vegans, and so-on.
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I got through about 2 paragraphs of that stupid ass site and couldnt read anymore.If that wasnt made by the dairy industry then its one dumbass vegetarian.



I can't understand why Sevenseas posted a link to that "prairie" site in the OP either. It's crap! It's rubbish! Good thing this isn't the support forum or I'd get my knuckles rapped.
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You can't 'negatively promote' vegetarianism. Either you're promoting it or not. From what I have seen the site in question makes a decent case for vegetarianism and gives some examples of vegan bias.



Sorry, I'm using the term loosely, for the semanticist I should be I guess I should have said to speak out against. Speak out would have been the word most closely resembling the idea in my head, yet it wouldn't come out at the time. Thanks for correcting me, cause promote does imply a positive aspect. Although a company's promotion of something could always go horrible wrong and end up having negative impact, thus negating the fact that it was ever a promotion to begin with.
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Maybe that's something to ask the mods. But I hardly think the intent of the current rule system was to apply it to outside links. The site she posted was pro-vegetarian and was in the correct forum. People who disagreed could have easily opened their own thread in the appropriate place to debate it. Which they did anyway after they ruined a support thread.





so then you would have no problem with me posting a link like www.vegetariansaref**ktards.com? Since its an outside site and in the vegan support forum its ok?
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No, this is crap.



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I can't understand why Sevenseas posted a link to that "prairie" site in the OP either. It's crap! It's rubbish! Good thing this isn't the support forum or I'd get my knuckles rapped.


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By ethics - you'll have to take that up with all the vegan honey or whey eaters, the leather wearing and non leather wearing vegans, wool buying, pet-owning, zoo-going vegans, and so-on.



There is no such thing



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so then you would have no problem with me posting a link like www.vegetariansaref**ktards.com? Since its an outside site and in the vegan support forum its ok?



why you gotta bash my site dude?
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I can't understand why Sevenseas posted a link to that "prairie" site in the OP either. It's crap! It's rubbish! Good thing this isn't the support forum or I'd get my knuckles rapped.





yea i hated that damn site
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Vegans are a subset of vegetarians, by diet.





Veganism is much more more than a diet.



And that is why vegans are not vegetarians.



Subset or other set.



If anyone calls me a vegetarian, then I must suppose they haven't a clue of what veganism is all about.



And I believe my racist parallel is just fine and fits well.
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I got through about 2 paragraphs of that stupid ass site and couldnt read anymore.If that wasnt made by the dairy industry then its one dumbass vegetarian.


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I think diana's point is that veganism is beyond vegetarianism, so while that does apply to one aspect of the way we choose to live our lives, it in no way defines us.
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'Vegetarian' means someone who doesn't eat meat.

'Vegan' is someone who, among other things, does not eat meat.



Thus, vegans are a subset of vegetarians. This is perfectly compatible with veganism being about more than diet.



That being said, in many contexts if someone says 'vegetarian' that is taken to refer to lacto-ovo-vegetarians.

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why you gotta bash my site dude?



I LOVE that site. I got there everyday and click on the "Donate Now" button.



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yea i hated that damn site



Me too. I go to that site everyday and click on the "I Hate This Site" button.
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