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#1 Old 06-01-2008, 10:53 PM
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I'm just going to leave it at that. Anything religious, medical, sociological, etc, is all up to you.



And for I'm gay, by the way.
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I categorically support all gay clergy, doctors, and sociologists.



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#3 Old 06-01-2008, 11:10 PM
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And for I'm gay, by the way.



Huh?



I'm in a sociology class right now, so let me think a while about a sociological perspective on the issue.
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Yay!! we haven't had this debate in a while!!






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I think homosexuality is way cool.

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I've actually viewed it as people are probably born neutral sexuality wise (i.e. "bisexual") -- some are born 90%+ homosexual/heterosexual, but most people are in between to at least an extent.
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Whether homosexuality is biological or a choice, it's personal and nobody else's business really.



This whole homosexuals not being able to get married (or at least the benefits of a legal union), have full guardian rights over their children, and familial recognition with their partners because of someone else's religion is really quite disgusting.



And I'm not saying religion is the only counter-homosexuality argument, just the most common.
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And I'm not saying religion is the only counter-homosexuality argument, just the most common.



Out of curisoty... since animals in nature aren't "heterosexual" entirely by default -- exactly what are the arguments against that don't involve religion?
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Out of curisoty... since animals in nature aren't "heterosexual" entirely by default -- exactly what are the arguments against that don't involve religion?



I actually have no clue



I was simply including the fact there there are possible other arguments to avoid a overgeneralizing. Maybe the reproduction process?
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I actually have no clue



I was simply including the fact there there are possible other arguments to avoid a overgeneralizing. Maybe the reproduction process?



Oh OK I thought maybe you knew of some offhand. I know that even when searching for "arguments against homosexuality -religion -religious -bible -biblical" I still get results citing religion for like the first result.
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I like them so much I married one.
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I'm all for it. I'm thinking the more gays, the less children, and therefore overpopulation becomes less of a problem. (Not that I have anything against children on a personal level. And we need some children after all!)



I don't believe sexual preference is biological, though. There is no scientific evidence for that claim.

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homosexuality is pretty nifty

bisexuality is pretty cool too



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homosexuality is pretty nifty

bisexuality is pretty cool too






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oh, we shouldn't forget heterosexuality. That's swish, too.
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I am very gay friendly! I've got some really good gay men friends. I really despise homophobia in any form. There is no way you can say it's a choice. If it was, why are there gay Iranians? Yeah, sure you're going to choose to be gay in a country where you can get the death penalty for it...!!!

Besides, I know how my friends feel - they just do NOT feel an attraction to women, at all. There's nothing they can do about that.
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There is no way you can say it's a choice. If it was, why are there gay Iranians? Yeah, sure you're going to choose to be gay in a country where you can get the death penalty for it...!!!

Besides, I know how my friends feel - they just do NOT feel an attraction to women, at all. There's nothing they can do about that.

So are you saying sexual preference is entirely determined by biological factors, or are you saying there is some other force at play? (And that's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely interested to know your opinion.)

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So are you saying sexual preference is entirely determined by biological factors, or are you saying there is some other force at play? (And that's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely interested to know your opinion.)

I personally think it is biological, judging from my friends, who knew they were gay from quite a young age. my Russian friend Z has an older brother who had exactly the same upbringing as him, but the brother is straight. And since they were brought up in Voronezh, they didn't exactly hear much about homosexuality growing up, either. I have to add there that I doubt Z knew what his feelings were when he was very young for that reason, he just knew he felt more attracted to boys.
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I think potentially it could be a mixture of biological and environmental. The environmental aspect isn't really what makes the person gay at all, but what helps them realize what their true sexuality is. But, there are so many cases of gay men and women that would defy that being a possibility.



Sometimes I feel like being gay is neither biological nor environmental - and more of a spiritual thing.
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I suppose I'll toss in a religious standpoint.



I don't believe homosexuality to be the intended fully harmonious ideal set forth by God; however, neither are most heterosexual relationships that occur. Also, saying this, I recognize that the world is in a disharmonious state, and many children may be born homosexual and should be shown grace.



While homosexual couples don't have a choice to experience the joys and burdens of childbirth, they may enjoy adoption. They won't have the balance of character synergy and complimented thought processes as much as a heterosexual couple could. And so on. Like I said, ideally. There are many heterosexual couples that are in more disharmonious relationships than homosexual.



I don't think that "fags go to hell" or anything. In fact, I'm sure there are many homosexuals that have a further spiritual development than hetero.

I'm not sure if I agree with everything on this site (I haven't even read everything), but, well, here is the mission statement: ""The purpose of Soulforce is freedom for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people from religious and political oppression through the practice of relentless nonviolent resistance.""
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They won't have the balance of character synergy and complimented thought processes as much as a heterosexual couple could.

This presupposes rigid and problematic gender roles (or stereotypes).

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There are gay pride parades. I think that's what they call them. I think those are ridiculous, but I don't have any complaints otherwise.
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There are gay pride parades. I think that's what they call them. I think those are ridiculous, but I don't have any complaints otherwise.



Why are they ridiculous?
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I don't believe sexual preference is biological, though. There is no scientific evidence for that claim.

Do you mean to say that you don't believe it's entirely biological?

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They won't have the balance of character synergy and complimented thought processes as much as a heterosexual couple could.



Why?
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There are gay pride parades. I think that's what they call them. I think those are ridiculous, but I don't have any complaints otherwise.





a sense of the ridiculous is de riguer at the sydney mardi gras.
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This whole homosexuals not being able to get married (or at least the benefits of a legal union), have full guardian rights over their children, and familial recognition with their partners because of someone else's religion is really quite disgusting.



Agreed. I'm straight, but I fully support gay rights, including the right to marry and have kids.



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I don't believe sexual preference is biological, though. There is no scientific evidence for that claim.



Actually, while there hasn't been enough research to be 100% sure, there is evidence that genetics play a part. I saw one show on TV where it talked about how gay men are more likely to have a certain proportional finger length, and their hair is more likely to grow in a certain direction than straight men.



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There are gay pride parades. I think that's what they call them. I think those are ridiculous, but I don't have any complaints otherwise.



I think gay pride parades stand out as weird because they're the only group doing that type of thing. I think other minorities should have similar pride parades. Who wants to do a veggie pride parade?



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Agreed. I'm straight, but I fully support gay rights, including the right to marry and have kids.







Actually, while there hasn't been enough research to be 100% sure, there is evidence that genetics play a part. I saw one show on TV where it talked about how gay men are more likely to have a certain proportional finger length, and their hair is more likely to grow in a certain direction than straight men.







I think gay pride parades stand out as weird because they're the only group doing that type of thing. I think other minorities should have similar pride parades. Who wants to do a veggie pride parade?



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I do! Veggie pride parades are a great idea! I see the gay prides parades as a way to get the idea that it's not something to be ashamed of out into the public conciousness and keep the issue at the top of peoples minds.
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I do! Veggie pride parades are a great idea! I see the gay prides parades as a way to get the idea that it's not something to be ashamed of out into the public conciousness and keep the issue at the top of peoples minds.



I want a veggie pride parade!



*cough*



Gay pride parades are cute and all, but it's really just one big party. Beer bongs, marijuana, and flashing everywhere, I'd say it's like Mardi Gras with less boobs.
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Gay pride parades are cute and all, but it's really just one big party. Beer bongs, marijuana, and flashing everywhere, I'd say it's like Mardi Gras with less boobs.



Yeah, that's what I like about them too.
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