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#1 Old 01-27-2008, 09:54 AM
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Oh jeez, it just gets worse. I know there's already a Mike Huckabee thread, but that turned a little off topic and this floored me so much I thought it deserved its own thread. I put this in the Heap because it's a sensitive topic, but if a mod thinks it should go in the Veggie Patch feel free to move it.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristi...k_b_82630.html



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Today, Governor Mike Huckabee is scheduled to travel to Georgia to commemorate the anniversary of Roe v. Wade. There he plans to join Georgia Right to Life to lend his support, as well as the focus of the national media, to HR 536. This legislation, also called the Human Life Amendment, is a state constitutional amendment that reclassifies the most effective and popular forms of contraception as abortion.



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James Bopp, a leading anti-abortion attorney...explained what the practical applications of...establishing in law that life begins at the moment of fertilization could lead to..."enforcement of homicide laws against pregnant women, restricting the activities of pregnant women, outlawing contraception and so on."



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"There are some forms of birth control that really are the destruction of a fertilized egg." One of the editors offered a follow-up question, "Should the government ban that sort of birth control?" Huckabee replied, "Yeah, I personally think there are better ways to deal with contraception than destroying a human life. So, again I'm going to say that I'm always going to make my position on the side of protecting human life."



RESTRICTING THE ACTIVITIES OF PREGNANT WOMEN??????? By this logic, a woman who miscarries might be considered a murderer.





Opinions? Discussion?? Is there actually a form of birth control that kills the fertilized egg? AFAIK, most, if not all, forms prevent the egg from sticking to the uterine wall. And if someone stays on BC when pregnant, it will not kill the baby but can cause it to be born handicapped, deformed, mentally challenged, etc.

If Huckabee by some demonic miracle wins the presidential election, I'm moving to Canada. I will not submit to this evil man's chauvinistic, oppressive will.
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Ummm I think your URL might be wrong....

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I want to ban Mike Huckabee.

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hahahaha sorry, I fixed it. Apparently my ctrl-c didn't work. hahaha...I talk about Mike Huckabee and link a picture of a radish....weiiird.
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And who is going to take care of all the unwanted babies??? Huckabee and others like him will surely step up ... right???? uh huh fat chance

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And who is going to take care of all the unwanted babies??? Huckabee and others like him will surely step up ... right???? uh huh fat chance



That is what always pissed me off about all those anti-abortion protestors. If they want to prevent abortions, maybe they should offer to take those women's unwanted babies into their homes and care for them.



I can't believe he is trying to ban birth control pills and restrict pregnant women's activities. I was mowing the lawn while I was pregnant. You really don't have to restrict any of your activities unless you're on bed rest or your doctor thinks you may endanger the baby by doing something. A woman actually freaked out on me for lifting a box above my head to put it on a shelf because "I could be suffocating my baby and not even know it!". Maybe he'll give all the pregnant women live-in help if he's going to restrict their activities.
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Well, it's the language he uses. I really don't think he meant to keep women from mowing the lawn while pregnant. I think he meant monitoring pregnant women in case they do something suspect that might be considered trying to end the pregnancy, like buying a coat hanger or trying to get a prescription for certain drugs or substances that could be used to kill a fetus. You know, DIY abortion supplies, that's what I'm trying to say. Also monitoring their doctors so the doctors don't perform any procedures that would be considered abortion. I think that's what Huckabee had in mind.



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He's not even talking about all hormonal birth control, the title of this thread is misleading.

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Fun Fact: The Huffington Post is ****. Talking about the radish you linked would have been more relevant to a discussion of Huckabee.

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The Huffington Post is a reliable source of American moderate commentary.



I think the radish would prove to be a better President than Huckabee.
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Maybe he'll give all the pregnant women live-in help if he's going to restrict their activities.

No-no-no. That's too Frenchified and reeks of socialist gubmint intrusion into the family.

Keep on freepin' on

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hey, I don't make the news, I just pass it on. I don't know anything about the source but it was posted in a political community where people took it seriously so I'm assuming it's legit.



Amy, I laughed at the idea of not allowing women to buy coat hangers because they might do diy abortions.

"But I need to hang my clothes!!!"

"Nope, you could be murdering your child so I can't let you"

"But this is a PLASTIC hanger!"

"MURDERER!!!!!!!!"
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And if someone stays on BC when pregnant, it will not kill the baby but can cause it to be born handicapped, deformed, mentally challenged, etc.



Really? I thought that if you stayed on BC when pregnant (like if you didn't know you were pregnant until far along or the baby pops out to say hi) that it didn't do any damage?
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Well really, if you want to prevent a woman from having an abortion there's only one thing to do:

-- Preemptively put all women in prison (if not pregnant) or a padded cell while strapped down (if pregnant).



Since no woman would be allowed to cook, clean, put stress on herself, have access to any poisons (alcohol, rat, etc), clean litter boxes, drive ("was it really an accident, or did she intentionally crash head on with another car?"), take OTC pills, drink excessive amounts of water (you can kill yourself doing so...) or do anything -- everything she does and consumes would have to be monitored 24/7/365 (366 on a leap year). If you don't lock up the non-pregnant women, they might, "god forbid", give OTC pills to a pregnant woman.



Oh yeah, and prevent all men from unsupervised visits to the pregnant women (so no sex, who knows what poisons he might stick on it!)
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Really? I thought that if you stayed on BC when pregnant (like if you didn't know you were pregnant until far along or the baby pops out to say hi) that it didn't do any damage?



I think it's only a danger when the woman continues daily bc through the full term of the pregnancy, and even then it's not guaranteed. It's just shown that it may increase the risk of birth defects, but there is no proof stating that if you take the pill while pregnant, your child WILL have birth defects. I suppose it's more of a cautionary thing... I've read that if the woman doesn't know for a couple months and has been taking bc that whole time, it shouldn't be a problem. Beyond a couple months, then I'm just wondering why the person didn't know they were pregnant . I'm paranoid, so if I missed my period once I would immediately buy tests and start freaking out....but I guess some people don't notice stuff like that? Somehow?
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I think it's only a danger when the woman continues daily bc through the full term of the pregnancy, and even then it's not guaranteed. It's just shown that it may increase the risk of birth defects, but there is no proof stating that if you take the pill while pregnant, your child WILL have birth defects. I suppose it's more of a cautionary thing... I've read that if the woman doesn't know for a couple months and has been taking bc that whole time, it shouldn't be a problem.



Ah good - not that I'm in that position but I was a bit worried there I'd really misunderstood the issue!



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Beyond a couple months, then I'm just wondering why the person didn't know they were pregnant . I'm paranoid, so if I missed my period once I would immediately buy tests and start freaking out....but I guess some people don't notice stuff like that? Somehow?



Heh, there are cases of women who don't put on much weight and continue spotting to the extent that they genuinely don't know they are pregnant until the baby breaks its way out
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...Heh, there are cases of women who don't put on much weight and continue spotting to the extent that they genuinely don't know they are pregnant until the baby breaks its way out



I so don't buy this for a second. I hear stories like this all the time, too, and it has got to be such a load of sh.... I remember when I was pregnant, this guy at the bar (I was bartending, not there doing shooters) telling me that his daughter didn't know she was pregnant until she went into labor because 'the baby was positioned really far back'. Please. You would have to be seriously mentally deficient to just not notice that you were pregnant at all, I would think. There is so much more involved in pregnancy than a gradually rounding belly...
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Yes, one would have to be mentally ill or on drugs/alcohol and even then, it would take a huge disconnect and an unhealthy dose of denial to be "unaware" to that degree.

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I so don't buy this for a second. I hear stories like this all the time, too, and it has got to be such a load of sh.... I remember when I was pregnant, this guy at the bar (I was bartending, not there doing shooters) telling me that his daughter didn't know she was pregnant until she went into labor because 'the baby was positioned really far back'. Please. You would have to be seriously mentally deficient to just not notice that you were pregnant at all, I would think. There is so much more involved in pregnancy than a gradually rounding belly...



Um, yes it actually happened to a member of my family. Best not to knock such things I feel personally
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Um, yes it actually happened to a member of my family. Best not to knock such things I feel personally





Have you asked her how that's possible?
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I've heard pregnancy can go unnoticed in some overweight/fat people.

I also find it hard to believe based on what I've heard about being pregnant.
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I knew a woman who didn't know she was pregnant for like 4 or 5 months into it, she probably only found out then since she went to the doctor for something she thought was unrelated (really bad mood swings and nausea [yet was more hungry than normal]). Considering she was told she'd never be able to be pregnant due to medical conditions, the thought of being pregnant never entered her mind; she also had mood swings and nausea frequently as a daily part of life so there were no real pregnancy signs for her.



I knew of another that knew she was pregnant even when the tests came back negative. It all depends on the woman I'd think, and normal conditions they have.



But as soon as the baby started to kick.... eh, unless you frequently have aliens growing in your belly, you're probably going to notice it.
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Have you asked her how that's possible?



Nope, she was a teenager when she gave birth and I didn't think it very sensitive to ask, especially as she had come through a lot of family strife.
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He's not even talking about all hormonal birth control, the title of this thread is misleading.



"The goal of the amendment is to create a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade while also defining life as beginning at fertilization. The anti-abortion movement believes that hormonal contraception (the pill, the patch, the depo shot, the nuva ring, the IUD) can destroy a fertilized egg. By setting in law the assertion -- the unproveable assertion -- that life begins at the moment of fertilization, the most common forms of contraception become abortion.

Huckabee appears comfortable with the implications of defining the most commonly used forms of contraception as abortion. "



From a linked video in the article (highlighted as Huckabee explained) someone asked Huckabee directly about what type of BC he thought should be banned:



"HUCKABEE: There are some forms of birth control that really are the destruction of a fertilized egg.



QUESTIONER (male voice): Should the government ban that sort of birth control?

QUESTIONER (female voice): RU-486? The morning after pill? Birth control pills?



HUCKABEE: Yeah, I, I personally think there are better ways to deal with contraception than destroying a human life. So, again Im going to say that Im always going to make my position on the side of protecting human life."
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i'd be interested in what'd happen if they managed to ban the pill. i'm thinking that there would be large numbers of women who suddenly found themselves with a hormonal inbalance/condition (one that perhaps caused painful cramping, pms, acne, heavy and irregular periods, etc) requiring drugs almost identical to the pill, to treat it. obviously these women would already be using barrier methods for contraception, so this 'pill' wouldn't be for use as a contraceptive. hmmmm.
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I want to ban Mike Huckabee.



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Wow. Since I personally know people who have taken/are taking the pill for reasons other than contraception, I think it would be a shame to take away their access to the pill on pro-life grounds. I'm in favor of keeping the option for people who use the pill for contraception, as well.

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Yeah I'm one of the people not using the birth control pill as birth control seeing as I'm asexual. I wonder what this Mike Huckabee thinks of us?.



I'm for early abortions and using the birth control pill as birth control. If we gotta have abortions, better ASAP then after the embryo has developed.

I can't think of anything more stupid then someone who is against abortion wanting fewer birth control options. Oh wait, a man who lacks empathy and assumes every woman should have many babies.
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Since many of you don't seem to know this, the daily hormone pill prevents ovulation. If there is no egg released, it can not be fertilized and there is no life created. On those grounds, Huckabee could not ban the pill. I'm not sure about other forms of pre-emptive hormonal contraception, but the pill does not cause the destruction of a fertilized egg. In this same prevent fertilization category is all barrier methods and spermacidal agents. All "emergency" contraception will cause the destruction of an embryo.



Incidently, fertilization occurs in the oviduct (formerly known as Fallopian tube). In reality an egg never reaches the uterus, by then it's either fertilized as an embryo or degraded to nothing.



Also why stop with regulating a woman's behavior before she gives birth, why not regulate all behavior that may endanger to harm the life of a child after they are born? Some things I'm thinking about is feeding an unhealty diet or smoking in the presence of a child. Anyone want to add their ideas as well? I'm sure in the few days we can come up with all sorts of regulations that could stem from Huckabee's "protecting life" statements.
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