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So did Qwerks. A few posts back. Essentially.
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A talented spouse and a good camcorder is a nice solution to all these porn woes.....
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So did Qwerks. A few posts back. Essentially.



I must've missed that! You said it, Qwerks!
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I find it amusing in girl-on-girl porn when one chick puts on a strap-on and the other chick performs oral sex on it. I mean, reallywho's getting anything out of that deal?



(Sorry. I think anything useful I might have to say on the subject has pretty much already been covered.)
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A talented spouse and a good camcorder is a nice solution to all these porn woes.....



Or THIS, apparently...
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I agree about the pointlessness of fellatiating plastic.

I suppose if no men are present it's purely a visual thing.....
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Those dolls are funny.

I saw one named Wendy Whoppers once.
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Condemnation, is not wise. But un-declaring all taboos is not wise either. Not everything that is widely tolerated today, is in the best interest of society. I think that some taboos are rather necessary and justified. Some people are even consuming porn films when their children are around, thinking this is the most natural thing in the world or they’re even doing their kids a favour by being so “open-minded”.

I think it is only fair to respect that there are people who do not want to watch porn films because the porn kind of sexuality (not thinking of practices, but values) cannot be combined with their view of sexuality as something intimate, private, special and between partners who love and respect each other.

Porn films show sexuality from a perspective that is different from the perspective within a relationship/marriage. Sexuality in a porn film is rather isolated from the rest of life, mainly kind of a product that is given and taken. It is isolated from love, too, and it is often abusive. Probably it is these differences that make porn attractive for some people, but I think it would be hazardous to think of the porn kind of sexuality as an ideal, which is what is likely to happen if children/teens are exposed to it.

People who want to watch porn should consume it in a responsible way, which I’d consider with the consent of their partner, not in the presence of children, and make sure to only watch films from reliable sources that guarantee (if that’s possible) there is no exploitation involved.



Also, I think one should realize that this is a huge industry, and porn is certainly not promoted to liberate people from the possible chains of a strict upbringing, but simply to make money and nothing else. Like with every business, I think it is only wise to watch out who really pays the prize, and who really profits.



To be clear, I wasn't advocating throwing out all taboos. I was merely observing that in some circles, the condemnation of women who consume porn/erotica/anything sexual is much less than it once was. Now, women are able to reach out for help if they think they need it, rather than being shamed into a debilitating silence. It's no longer "good girls don't know anything about that."

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Condemnation, is not wise. But un-declaring all taboos is not wise either. Not everything that is widely tolerated today, is in the best interest of society. I think that some taboos are rather necessary and justified.



I don't know about you or anyone else, but I'm not having sex "for the best interest of society". If I watch a porn video or read erotic literature, it's for myself and if others do the same, it's for themsevles. Why should porn and sexuality in general be taboo? How would the continued supression of sexuality be for the best interest of society? And how can watching porn be taboo and yet those people not be condemned for watching it? How does that work?



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I think it is only fair to respect that there are people who do not want to watch porn films because the porn kind of sexuality (not thinking of practices, but values) cannot be combined with their view of sexuality as something intimate, private, special and between partners who love and respect each other.



I don't understand... is someone forcing you or anyone else to watch porn? If you don't enjoy it, then by all means avoid it. I think most people respect that some don't enjoy porn, but those people may also want to be respected for their choice to watch it themselves. Porn can and does mesh well with other people's sexual feelings and practices. [Obvously] not everyone views sexuality by the same terms you or others do (intimate, private, special, between partners in love) so for them, there's no conflict. Or what actions they deem as inimate, private and special are different than what you/others deem so. To make what they feel as an appropriate expression of their sexuality taboo, is to condemn what they do as abnormal and something negative.



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Porn films show sexuality from a perspective that is different from the perspective within a relationship/marriage. Sexuality in a porn film is rather isolated from the rest of life, mainly kind of a product that is given and taken. It is isolated from love, too, and it is often abusive. Probably it is these differences that make porn attractive for some people, but I think it would be hazardous to think of the porn kind of sexuality as an ideal, which is what is likely to happen if children/teens are exposed to it.



Not every person is in a relationship and/or marriage. There are many single people out there that watch and enjoy pornography. So, porn may not be reflective of just one kind of lifestyle or relationship. Also, there are many people out there who's sex life may resemble that of a porn video. Some watch porn to learn and try out new sexual positions or fetishes that they haven't tried before, so for them, it is ideal. Not all porn is the same and it doesn't all contain fake-boobed and blonde-haired women and overly muscled men faking orgasms.



There are many porn videos (and even instructional tapes) out there that are dedicated towards relationships/marriages and show sexuality from that angle. Most porn videos may be 'isolated from love', but that is hardly their purpose is it not? It's purpose, to generalize, is to sexually arouse. And there are many different types of porn out there to arouse people in different ways, even porn showing intimacy and love between partners, if that is what arouses you. I think those kind of videos are not as known about and probably come from smaller companies but you can find them if you look. You can find any kind of meduim for sexual stimulation and arousal if you look hard enough. Basic, straight male-oriented porn is just the most available and widely known, which I guess makes sense that a lot of people only think of porn in those terms.



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Im surprised that no feminist has shown up so far.



I consider myself a feminist, but maybe not the kind you were looking for. I don't easily condemn expressions of sexuality because I don't see it as all black or white. I'm very pro-women's sexual expression but I don't think that making [typical straight male-oriented] porn taboo because of how some women (and men, too!) are treated in the industry is the answer. Pushing sexual expression (via porn) down further will only result in more problems. I say we drop the taboos and bring sexual expression out into the open and discuss and change it as needed. As long as it's taboo and kept a secret, any and all abuses in the system will continue.
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I find it amusing in girl-on-girl porn when one chick puts on a strap-on and the other chick performs oral sex on it. I mean, reallywho's getting anything out of that deal?



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I wish I watched porn.



I haven't really figured out why I don't... oh, yeah, they're called parents.
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Well here's the thing: Hetero porn is mostly boobs and "actress contorting face" (usually with boobs in shot). I don't find boobs interesting. Gay porn of course has no boobs which is good but man on man stuff is only slightly less boring than boobs. And the rare "porn for women" has a friggin' story taking up most of the running time. As if this isn't bad enough the story is always crappy too, and never has aliens or robots in it.



So there is a major shortage of appealing porn for straight women. I feel that this serious issue deserves more attention than it gets.



I'm with you, what's porn without aliens, robots and other wacky storylines. oh and bad bluescreening
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And the rare "porn for women" has a friggin' story taking up most of the running time. As if this isn't bad enough the story is always crappy too, and never has aliens or robots in it.



Okay, Qwerks, I've just laughed very loud and long for the second time today. Thank you!
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I just read this entire thread waiting for someone to post what Qwerks and rabid_child posted. I agree, we need good porn for women!
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Bring on the aliens with the big peck...(torals)
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My wife is the one who always rents the porn. I find it about as interesting as watching laundry dry. Ill watch for a few minutes and go back to what I was doing. Shell pop a brewsky and watch the whole thing.
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I haven't seen any (granted, I haven't seen much) that really did anything for me other than make me cringe. Some of what I've seen has been downright comical - once you get past the "omg, that thing's right in my face" aspect.

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Well here's the thing: Hetero porn is mostly boobs and "actress contorting face" (usually with boobs in shot). I don't find boobs interesting. Gay porn of course has no boobs which is good but man on man stuff is only slightly less boring than boobs. And the rare "porn for women" has a friggin' story taking up most of the running time. As if this isn't bad enough the story is always crappy too, and never has aliens or robots in it.



So there is a major shortage of appealing porn for straight women. I feel that this serious issue deserves more attention than it gets.





AMEN!!!!!!! More porn for women in general - I'm not straight but even the "made by lesbians for lesbians" pornn also tends to rely too heavily on boring stories... And as someone who does find boobs interesting, it's not fun to watch plastic ones.... (JMHO)
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Im surprised that no feminist has shown up so far



I'm a feminist. Not all feminists are anti-porn, despite some anti-porn feminists protestations otherwise...
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I find it amusing in girl-on-girl porn when one chick puts on a strap-on and the other chick performs oral sex on it. I mean, reallywho's getting anything out of that deal?



(Sorry. I think anything useful I might have to say on the subject has pretty much already been covered.)



I think that's the "lesbian" porn made for heterosexual male consumption. It's a common theme: we're best friends and lesbian lovers, but what would really spice things up is a penis... (enter pizza delivery guy)...





Wow, I just realized this is my third post in a row... And the name of this smilie is "boobies"...
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I don't watch it, I don't really have any desire to. Both my close male friends watch it, quite a bit lol. I think some of my girl friends do too but no where near as much.
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I think most men have or do watch porn, I myself prefer hentai, as the people in porn are real people (well... besides the fake body parts ), and I do not support the porn industry.



My love used to watch some porn, for the visual aspect of getting off, but since I noticed he watched porn, I started making him my own videos, and he really enjoys those I recommend it to all women (and men)
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I don't know about you or anyone else, but I'm not having sex "for the best interest of society". If I watch a porn video or read erotic literature, it's for myself and if others do the same, it's for themsevles. Why should porn and sexuality in general be taboo? How would the continued supression of sexuality be for the best interest of society? And how can watching porn be taboo and yet those people not be condemned for watching it? How does that work?







I don't understand... is someone forcing you or anyone else to watch porn? If you don't enjoy it, then by all means avoid it. I think most people respect that some don't enjoy porn, but those people may also want to be respected for their choice to watch it themselves. Porn can and does mesh well with other people's sexual feelings and practices. [Obvously] not everyone views sexuality by the same terms you or others do (intimate, private, special, between partners in love) so for them, there's no conflict. Or what actions they deem as inimate, private and special are different than what you/others deem so. To make what they feel as an appropriate expression of their sexuality taboo, is to condemn what they do as abnormal and something negative.







Not every person is in a relationship and/or marriage. There are many single people out there that watch and enjoy pornography. So, porn may not be reflective of just one kind of lifestyle or relationship. Also, there are many people out there who's sex life may resemble that of a porn video. Some watch porn to learn and try out new sexual positions or fetishes that they haven't tried before, so for them, it is ideal. Not all porn is the same and it doesn't all contain fake-boobed and blonde-haired women and overly muscled men faking orgasms.



There are many porn videos (and even instructional tapes) out there that are dedicated towards relationships/marriages and show sexuality from that angle. Most porn videos may be 'isolated from love', but that is hardly their purpose is it not? It's purpose, to generalize, is to sexually arouse. And there are many different types of porn out there to arouse people in different ways, even porn showing intimacy and love between partners, if that is what arouses you. I think those kind of videos are not as known about and probably come from smaller companies but you can find them if you look. You can find any kind of meduim for sexual stimulation and arousal if you look hard enough. Basic, straight male-oriented porn is just the most available and widely known, which I guess makes sense that a lot of people only think of porn in those terms.







I consider myself a feminist, but maybe not the kind you were looking for. I don't easily condemn expressions of sexuality because I don't see it as all black or white. I'm very pro-women's sexual expression but I don't think that making [typical straight male-oriented] porn taboo because of how some women (and men, too!) are treated in the industry is the answer. Pushing sexual expression (via porn) down further will only result in more problems. I say we drop the taboos and bring sexual expression out into the open and discuss and change it as needed. As long as it's taboo and kept a secret, any and all abuses in the system will continue.



yeah, what she said!
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I think most men have or do watch porn, I myself prefer hentai, as the people in porn are real people (well... besides the fake body parts ), and I do not support the porn industry.



My love used to watch some porn, for the visual aspect of getting off, but since I noticed he watched porn, I started making him my own videos, and he really enjoys those I recommend it to all women (and men)



i like hentai too...it's goofy fun...a lot of my friends in high school and now in college like hentai/anime. most live action porn is pretty silly, but a well made one can be fun. porn cliches are pretty weird (how do those women make their faces contort like that lol. if i did that when having sex i think the guy would run the hell away as fast as possible thinking i had been demonically possessed)



as far as the 'do all guys watch porn' question is concerned: i think with it being so widely available on the net that most guys and many women with net access have seen at least some porn at some point. most of the people i know see it occasionally, it's not a continual pursuit.
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My love used to watch some porn, for the visual aspect of getting off, but since I noticed he watched porn, I started making him my own videos, and he really enjoys those I recommend it to all women (and men)

I have a similar situation, in that I make my own videos, in which I usually sport a Nixon mask and engage in some very perverse relations with my kitchen utensils. But I'm not in a relationship, so instead of giving the vids to my partner, I make copies and distribute them in the mailboxes around my neighbourhood. Usually when I'm at the store, people have a weird grin on their face.

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I have a similar situation, in that I make my own videos, in which I usually sport a Nixon mask and engage in some very perverse relations with my kitchen utensils. But I'm not in a relationship, so instead of giving the vids to my partner, I make copies and distribute them in the mailboxes around my neighbourhood. Usually when I'm at the store, people have a weird grin on their face.



I was going to say thankfully you wear a Nixon mask, but I actually don't know what is a worse case scenario, your usual IT face or Nixon...



So sweet of you for contributing to the community.
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I do miss the days when I was innocent enough to get excited (ahem) by porn. I have something of a pron "burn out" though, I've seen so much that I even struggle to find it amusing these days.



I like looking at the "naked female form" (does that make me a bad person?) but to be honest, I'd rather have ten minutes of intimate conversation over coffee with a female friend than hour after hour of hardcore lesbian action on screen.



Porn provides a quick, meaningless release. It's what it is and not much more.
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As far as porn not representing the sex that goes on in "relationships/marriages"... not every couple is having vanilla sex. Not that traditional sex is bad or anything, but plenty of couples have more "deviant" tastes. My husband and I put plenty of het pornos to shame.



As for who gets pleasure from a girl giving head to a girl who's wearing a strapon... the girl giving gets the same pleasure that a girl who gives head to a guy does. The girl with the strapon is getting the psychological pleasure of having a penis being attended to, plus the added bonus of the harness rubbing against her clitoris. Awesome.
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It's not so much the flavor of sex many of us were talking about as much as the emotional involvement. Ie., I don't have any idea who that woman in the picture is, but I absolutely love being with TNS no matter what we're doing. (I can hardly compare the two, actually. It's kinda like cheese and mustard. They're both yellow.)
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Men are more visual of the sexes, it's just more exciting for us it seems. I watch porn nearly daily, but I'm 18 and my body can't help it I swear. ^_-



O, and I started viewing porn (introduced by friends) at.... 8? maybe? perhaps even younger. Certainly didn't see it much of ever at that time.
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