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#1 Old 05-14-2007, 03:00 PM
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I hope you don't do it. They support animal testing:

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#2 Old 05-14-2007, 08:24 PM
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I hope you DO do it. Four people in my immediate family have MS.



So? I also know people very intimately who have MS, and they would not support a charity that supports vivisection, nor would I.

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#4 Old 05-15-2007, 10:47 AM
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Why do people always introduce their support of vivisection by saying they're not in favour of animal testing for cosmetics? Do you know anyone who actually is in favour of torturing animals for nail polish? And even if you do, how likely are they to be on a veg*n message board?

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Why do people always introduce their support of vivisection by saying they're not in favour of animal testing for cosmetics? Do you know anyone who actually is in favour of torturing animals for nail polish? And even if you do, how likely are they to be on a veg*n message board?

To differentiate that some animal testing is necessary and some animal testing is not.
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To differentiate that some animal testing is necessary



proof? source? anything factual here?



and are you going to give up your beloved dogs for the "necessary" testing?
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please support one of these: www.humaneseal.org
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and are you g? oing to give up your beloved dogs for the "necessary" testing?

No thanks.
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Okay sevenseas, please don't hijack this thread. We all have our own opinions and your's is coming across a little as attacking.
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Okay sevenseas, please don't hijack this thread. We all have our own opinions and your's is coming across a little as attacking.



It doesn't come across as attacking to me at all. Maybe it comes across that way to you because it doesn't make you feel good about yourself.
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The OP didn't ask for advice about MS testing on animals. She asked for bicycling advice.

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But when it comes to stuff that could help save peoples lives, as long as they don't cross unnecessary lines (and I might be naiive here) I think it's okay.



I think you don't know much about vivisection, or your "lines" are drawn so low as to be nonsensical for the actual well-being of animals.



Is removing a baby monkey from her mother at birth and sticking her alone in a cage in a windowless room for life - never seeing the light of day or smelling fresh air - and only taking the fearful animal out (which must be done by roping the struggling animal around the neck) to run painful tests on her an "o.k. line" for you? Then she gets to die when you feel you've gotten enough out of this "living test tube." What do you consider torture for a sentient, aware, social being?



Experimenting on orphaned mentally handicapped babies could more realistically "help people's lives" but you aren't suggesting that. Or are you? I think the pro-vivisection viewpoint is pretty scary, ethically.

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Medical research on animals is scientific fraud.



One of the most virulent anti-vivisectors in Switzerland was himself a vivisector before, but he quickly saw through the scam. He is not anti-vivisection for AR reasons, but because it's bloody USELESS.



Give your money or help out in some way organisations that are developing different methods of trying to cure human illnesses. And leave the animals out of it.
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To differentiate that some animal testing is necessary and some animal testing is not.

What does that mean? Everything is necessary for some end. Cockfighting is necessary to give people the kind of entertainment they get from cockfighting, the death penalty is necessary for avenging the victims' death, etc. There is no necessity as such.



What you mean to say is that people differentiate what testing they find acceptable and unacceptable. So why not just use the terms 'acceptable' and 'unacceptable' (or right/wrong or justified/unjustified), instead of trying to frame your ethical values as some kind of a compelling external force (a "necessity")?



But that being said, given that I don't know anyone (at least on a veg*n board) who would be excited about cosmetics testing, I don't see the point in saying you are against it.

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What does that mean? Everything is necessary for some end.

What does that mean? Your not!
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