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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17889756/ I think it is important to learn English but not everyone learns overnight.....I think it is important to have ballots and driver's tests in a person's native language. Also how available are free or low cost English lessons for adults?
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Reports of extramarital affairs have dogged him for years as a result of two messy divorces, but he has refused to discuss them publicly.



Why is that even in the article? I don't like Gingrich, so I don't really care.. I just wonder what that has to do with the topic of the article.
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Newt is Right!
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Citizenship requires passing a test on American history in English. If thats true, then we do not have to create ballots in any language except English, he said.

Well said.
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In 1995, for example, he said bilingualism poses long term dangers to the fabric of our nation and that allowing bilingualism to continue to grow is very dangerous.



Mr. Gingrich is not speaking of English/French bilingualism or English/Chinese or English/Icelandic. Rather he's speaking of English/Spanish (and in particular Spanish speaking Mexicans) and is using his comments to further the fear campaign aimed at Mexican immigrants.



Bilingualism is a sign of an advanced society. Mr. Gingrich ethnocentrism is the danger here.
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Mr. Gingrich is not speaking of English/French bilingualism or English/Chinese or English/Icelandic. Rather he's speaking of English/Spanish (and in particular Spanish speaking Mexicans) and is using his comments to further the fear campaign aimed at Mexican immigrants.



Bilingualism is a sign of an advanced society. Mr. Gingrich ethnocentrism is the danger here.





yes because obviously he doesn't have a problem with the french speakers of louisiana having their ballots in french

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Est-ce que Monsieur Gingrich, je peux voter svp ? Je parle français !
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And God said: let there be babel!
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And God said: let there be babel!

Yeah, cuz that turned out well.



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Why is that even in the article? I don't like Gingrich, so I don't really care.. I just wonder what that has to do with the topic of the article.

No doubt. I think he's an *******, but let's have some journalistic integrity already.



His ghetto comment shows just how of touch he is. I agree that (for now, at least) kids should learn English in school, but knowing two languages or more isn't a bad thing at all. In fact it could be helpful. Suggesting that it's somehow lower class is just silly. We'd better be careful or we'll end up like those poor, downtrodden multilingual Dutchmen.

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I wish I could speak another language especially Spanish...I took some in school but its been a long long time. I wish we started language classes earlier than jr high and high school here in the U.S. Being multilingual would be cool.
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many europeans speak a few languages because of the proximity of other nations speaking other languages. i think Americans get awful weird about other languages being spoken here. which is weird for a country of immigrants. i guess the xenophobes pop up because this country has experienced so many waves of imigration in its history. italians were reviled in newspaper articles in the early 1900's.

i speak English and Mandarin pretty fluently, and can get by in Cantonese, Spanish and grrr sort of in French. i want to learn Italian some day too.
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Bilingualism is a sign of an advanced society. Mr. Gingrich ethnocentrism is the danger here.



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Reports of extramarital affairs have dogged him for years as a result of two messy divorces, but he has refused to discuss them publicly.



Newt was having an affair while he was criticizing Clinton's affair with Monica.
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i think it's wonderful to know more than one language and it's definitly a postive thing instead of a negative thing. i mean, who wants to be like those horrible europeans who know several languages? because europe is totally the ghetto.

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Source? It's my opinion. Do you disagree?
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Reports of extramarital affairs have dogged him for years as a result of two messy divorces, but he has refused to discuss them publicly.



Newt was having an affair while he was criticizing Clinton's affair with Monica.

And how is this related to bilingualism exactly?

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I don't like Newt but the extramarital affairs comment at end of article had nothing to do with the rest of it.
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i think it's wonderful to know more than one language and it's definitly a postive thing instead of a negative thing. i mean, who wants to be like those horrible europeans who know several languages? because europe is totally the ghetto.



Let's not create a completely rosy picture of Europe. Some areas in Europe are facing an influx of immigrants similar to the U.S., and the locals aren't quite sure what to do with them in every situation. Now, nobody cringe when I bring up Barcelona, but I remember discussing immigration with a white woman grew up in Barcelona. It wasn't the same city she remembered as a girl, she said. Many north Africans, Pakistanis and Latin Americans had moved to the city in search of work. It certainly looked like an international city to me.



I've also heard reports of racial tensions between established minorities from the above areas and the white population in Germany and France. The white population may be accustomed to speaking the European languages, but this is something new. Cultural differences probably also play a role.



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