Originally Posted by gaya
It's interesting then, that we try to interpret with the same brush. Why would a school want to place faith under the same guise?
For a variety of reasons. Miscommunication, misunderstanding, deliberate misleading, or many others. It would be really hard to tell, unless we were in the class or actually talked to the professor. Based on what is said, it sounds misleading.
Originally Posted by flipper
Agreed - I was tired, and I am sorry for that.
I did actually stick to the argument though. The point I and some others have been trying to make is that the fundamental postulates of math are based on matters that involve faith. The common reaction that we're seeing to such a claim is a very defensive one - as if anyone is suggesting that math is now "reduced" to the level of religion.
on Wiki - no I haven't read that article, but then I don't use Encyclopedia Britannica for anything much beyond finding the capitols and major exports of countries, and the like. If I had used either as a source in grad school (or undergraduate, for that matter), I would have been laughed out of my department. I suspect you would have too (though wiki wasn't around when we were in school, eh?).
Yeah, like SS says, Wiki can be corrected by subsequent users, but often isn't, and then you always have the time in-between.
I was asking what are those fundamental postulates of math which are based on faith. I was not trying to be defensive, and I am not saying that anyone is 'reducing' math to the level of religion. I just think they are different.
I was trying to say, I guess ineptly, what Seusomon said in post #101.
Mathematics is more like a game. "If I assume X, then what else must necessarily follow from that?" It doesn't really matter, as far as mathematics itself is concerned, whether X is "true" in any deep sense or not.
This again requires no faith. For even the most basic postulates of math can just be assumed to be true. Then you see where it takes you.
I believe that many branches of mathematics arrise because someone labels a 'postulate' as false. Then, through deduction, they develop something new in mathematics (or not as is probably more likely).
If I had used Wikipedia or Britannica or a dictionary for my grad school in Physics I would have been laughed out as well. However, while sitting at the computer, it is a quick reference which can sometimes say something more succinctly than I can say. I have never said it wasn't open to debate. You could express the way you're using the words, or we could try to come to a common definition of what we are talking about. However, people use words rather loosely (like faith). There are a variety of meanings of the word which people seem to be equivocating. Or perhaps I fail to understand (or some people reading the thread). So the only reason why I reference those are to clarify or to see what your (or anyone) was actually meaning by using various words. References are resources not definitives.