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#1 Old 01-23-2007, 08:23 PM
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I was invited to start this thread by froggy, don't move it.



Can a fruitarian eat cooked foods, roots, dairy?
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#2 Old 01-23-2007, 08:56 PM
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I guess my question will never be answered.
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#3 Old 01-23-2007, 08:58 PM
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Lets say you are a fruitarian and you eat a bean burrito.



You aren't participating in a more strict version of raw foodism, because your food isn't raw.



You aren't praticing reference for life because in practice your ingredients were harvested by killing plants.



So what is the point in differentiation cooked fruitarianism from vegetarianism?
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for the 3rd time.



from the "what do you think of meat eaters" thread:

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\t \t \t\t \t\t\t \t\t\t\tOriginally Posted by DeflatorMouse

\t\t\t\tThe best definition I've seen can be found at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarian


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ok



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\t \t \t\t \t\t\t \t\t\t\tOriginally Posted by wikipedia

\t\t\t\tSome fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a plant, that is: foods that can be harvested without killing the plant. These foods consist primarily of culinary fruits, nuts, and seeds[7]. Many do not eat grains, believing it is unnatural to do so[8], and some fruitarians feel that it is improper for humans to eat seeds[9]. Additionally, there are fruitarians who believe they should eat only plants that spread seeds when the plant is eaten.[10] Others eat seeds and some cooked foods.[11]



Many fruitarians use the botanical definitions of fruits and consume pulses,[12] while others include green leafy vegetables[13] and/or root vegetables[14] in their diet. Some occasionally consume some dairy products as well.[15]


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How is this different from being vegetarian or vegan, then?



You can eat fruit, pulses, greens, roots, seeds, dairy....



If I wrote an article about vegans but said some vegans eat fish & dairy, no one would consider me a credible source. Yet wikipedia...

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I'm still waiting for an explanation for the difference between a vegetarian & a fruitarian who eats roots, pulses, and dairy.
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I'm not sure.



I always thought that fruitarians were raw.
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I'm not sure.



I always thought that fruitarians were raw.



So do most (n-1) of the fruitarians that have posted on VB.
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I don't think not killing things is the motivation, certainly del mar tortillas don't use wheat that was harvested saving the stalk

Maybe it has to do with the difference between annuals versus perennials. Most plants, if not all, that produce grains, beans, and legumes die at the end of the season anyways, right? So, maybe fruitarians who consume said seeds do so under the premise that they are not significantly reducing the life of the plant, while eating a perennial would. I don't know how they would justify eating roots and dairy. Cooked versus raw would depend on the fruitarian's reason for being a fruitarian.

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With apologies to troub, Jessica & Wonder (and those who have a genuine interest in the subject of fruitarianism), I can't respond to your thoughts & questions at this time, because I'm being stalked.
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Deflator, you are not being stalked. Calm down. Remilard is this way with everyone; you're not special.



Will you answer my question now?



ETA: I am asking out of interest because this topic has come & gone, and there has never really been good consensus on what fruitarian means, though I'm finally starting to understand raw. Fruitarian means you don't kill the plant, right? So how do roots fit into that?
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Maybe it has to do with the difference between annuals versus perennials. Most plants, if not all, that produce grains, beans, and legumes die at the end of the season anyways, right? So, maybe fruitarians who consume said seeds do so under the premise that they are not significantly reducing the life of the plant, while eating a perennial would. I don't know how they would justify eating roots and dairy. Cooked versus raw would depend on the fruitarian's reason for being a fruitarian.

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I agree that it would depend on their reason, I think. The perennial/annual thing was something I hadn't thought about. Although in michigan, any garden you plant is going to die when the weather gets cold enough. So lettuce and all that would die, although I don't think it should be considered fruitarian-friendly.
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I guess my thread didn't cover it.



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I guess you could justify dairy in that it doesn't kill the animal to get the milk.
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I guess my thread didn't cover it.



https://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...ad.php?t=66450



I didn't see that, marie. heh.
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Maybe it has to do with the difference between annuals versus perennials. Most plants, if not all, that produce grains, beans, and legumes die at the end of the season anyways, right? So, maybe fruitarians who consume said seeds do so under the premise that they are not significantly reducing the life of the plant, while eating a perennial would. I don't know how they would justify eating roots and dairy. Cooked versus raw would depend on the fruitarian's reason for being a fruitarian.

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legumes can be annual or perennial, there are many examples of both.
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It wasn't really clear. That stupid little rhyme popped into my head when I read froggy's request so I posted a thread about it.
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I guess you could justify dairy in that it doesn't kill the animal to get the milk.





Mmmm the fruit of the cow.
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Or you could justify eating underwear..



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I guess what confuses me is,



what if I said I was going to be a redetarian and only eat red foods. I can do that, and I can explain to you what I mean, but isn't it a little silly if I don't have a reason for doing so?



Most subsets of fruitarianism seem to establish limits (raw, no death of the plant) that ascribe meaning to their diet. If you are going to be a fruitarian so inclusive that you include cooked foods and maybe even roots and milk, what is the underlying meaning?
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I agree you have to have some kind of reason. Even if you were a redetarian because you liked red. That's at least a reason. It's also consistent as long as you only ate red stuff.
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MOD NOTE:



We realize there are some interpersonal tensions which are feeding this discussion. However, we would really like the discussion to continue. Personally, I would like to explore the different Fruitarian modalities (cooked/raw/grains/whatever). But PLEASE... keep the personal issues out of it. That goes for all parties involved.



No one should feel like they have to defend their approach to their own PERSONAL diet. However, that doesn't mean they can't EXPLAIN the differences (as they understand them) between say, raw and cooked fruitarianism, or whatever...



This community exists to DISCUSS these issues. Not to belittle or demean fellow members because we disagree on their definitions/labels.



Thank you ALL for thinking before you post.



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Did I mention I'm a vegetarian who eats fish?







*wince*













(I'm kidding.)
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Did I mention I'm a vegetarian who eats fish?









That is a similar issue. You can make a nomenclaturally sound argument for fish being included in a vegetarian diet (vegetarianism is a meat free diet, fish are not meat), and you can also argue that making vegetarianism more inclusive allows it to be more widely practiced.



The question is, how far to you push the envelope and should we consider the desire of the people who practice stricter forms of the diet to have a word that describes what they do?
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I'm not trying to blatantly argue with a mod post, but isn't that partially why we're here? To tell you that no you aren't a vegetarian if you eat fish. Why would that be any different than telling someone they aren't raw if they eat <insert cooked food here>, or not a fruitarian if they eat <insert nonfruitarian food here>?
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I had no idea this subject made anyone tense. Around here the term fruitarian is basically used as raw foodist.
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When I was raw, I was not a fruitarian.
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Even if you were a redetarian because you liked red.



And that's a hypothetical because...?



[redetarians unite!]
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