Wow. You use a lot of words to say very little.
Originally Posted by sarahjayn1980
Really? That's assumed? Wow. I guess I'll have to tell my school district to remove the Tampa Museum, the Dali (now, there's some nudes!), the St. Petersburg Museum of Art, and other major cultural centrers and galleries from their approved list of field trips for students in grade 5.
And how often does your school take 5th graders to see nude exhvibits without notifying the parents?
Also, I'll have to have them take all the books on Da Vinci, who studied the human form intensely not only out of my art books, but, further, the Science text as well.
Which has what to do with the topic?
OH! I almost forgot, the unit on Human Growth and Development (which, by the way, has a permission slip that does not include, "full disclosure" as you put it and doesn't mention nudity at all) in which genitalia is displayed in full color via projection in my classroom, will have to be rethought as well. Because it's assumed. Not because it aligns with the standards.
hhhmmm...wonder why they have the permission slip for sexual education? Could it be because of the material covered?
I love how you intentionally try to misconstrue my point about full disclosure, when in fact, you prove my point.
Art musuem = no reasonable assumption of nudity being presented to 5th graders
Class on growth and development = reasonable expectation that genitalia and so forth will be discussed
See the difference?
These are Texas' state standards for the arts:http://www.tea.state.tx.us/rules/tac...7a.html#117.17
If you scroll down to grade 5, you'll see that it is mandatory that students be exposed to different genres (or styles if you prefer) of are from different areas. While this does not necessarily mandate classical nudes, it most certainly does not mandate othewise.
Again, you provide a lot of words, but then say nothing. The issue is about educational standards. A reasonable assumption of parents is that 10-year olds will not be exposed to nudity without prior warning to the parents, hence, the permission slips for sex education. Art curriculum is not the issue.
I would think, to some degree, that a teacher not willing to expose students to this most sweeping subject matter and cultivating a mature appreciation would be in some ways neglecting their duties to educate the children about the arts to their fullest. Hence, the nude for them will always be some half-naked, gyrating rap-video extra and not the un-sexed, perfect form of Aphrodite. Of course, 5th grade is not the last stop on the train to pick up this sort of appreciation. I suppose that cheerful, fully-clothed crafts lessons until high school won't permanently damage a young soul, but why take that risk when there is so much to be seen, appreciated, and understood?
Then tell the parents what is being offered, and let them decide. I don't believe that children will suffer from not seeing certain exhibits, and in trying to sound educated, all you did was garble whatever point you were trying to make.
You see, I'm not rushing to anyone's defense. I'm presenting what I know as someone who used to teach art, still teaches, and probably has a great deal more familiarity with the law associated therein and common practice than yourself.
Um, no. You provided no evidence that you understand the law, and in fact, you made my case for me with your really sad attempt at discrediting my point about disclosure.
You need proof that probably most worth-wild museums have art work from various eras including the classical era? Well, I said probably because I have yet to conduct a survey of all states and the museums therein. However, if we look at the major museums in the United States that are, in fact, Fine Arts museums (because I assume we are comparing apples-to-apples and not, say, questioning me as to the placement of nudes in say, the Air and Space Museum because unless there are some very kinky astronauts I believe you will not find them there), there are nudes. Even in the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco, there are nudes. Can you think for me of a fine arts museum with a permanent collection in the United States without them? Now, think about it. Would it be worth going to?
That isn't what you said. You said any art museum worth visiting would have nudes. Prove it. That means any art museum, any
, that has educational value must have nudes.
You made the positive assertion. Back it up.
Funny, reading your posts always reminds me of a little tidbit I encountered while in college. The major with most often the lowest GPA and/or test scores for incoming freshman? Yup. Education.