gas4: If you're going to make such statements, you need to back them up.
<<very anti-spanking, thinks there are far more effective disciplines, won't spank her own children, has written multiple papers encompassing the subject of spanking, but....
You need to show your proof.
Granted, this is a very personal, intense, subject, but maybe we could take it a little less personally. Mary's already commented that maybe she let someone get her goat a bit, and that she doesn't think all spankers are "lazy" "uneducated" or "ignorant".
As far as the discussion of who took the thread toward the topic of violence as a whole, it's really unimportant and is only serving as some sort of virtual pissing contest.
re: the subject at hand, I haven't seen anyone address the effectiveness of spanking. That is, is it the best (most effective) way of getting the behavior you desire. And on a more long term level (this is where I think it fails), does it product the results you're looking for.