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missfruity 12-06-2005 10:58 AM

If there is another topic on this feel free to lock this topic.



Anyways, I'm looking for legitamite arguments for and against animal conciousness. Any links? Or does anyone want to discuss it here?

veganinohio 12-06-2005 12:34 PM

Most of them would be very similar to the arguments you may have seen for or against human conscousness (at least when comparing animals of similar nervous system and brain). Ultimately unprovable but self evident.

Ludi 12-06-2005 01:53 PM

To know what information You're looking for, I'd have to know what definition you're using for "consciousness."

Ludi 12-06-2005 01:54 PM


Marie 12-06-2005 03:59 PM

It'd be hard to play with my pets if they were unconscious.. so I'd say I'm for consciousness.

ilovemydragon 12-06-2005 04:16 PM

When one of my dogs died, my other one who knew him for years was clearly upset he was not around. When DH comes home from work, my dogs are happy and missed him. I guess you have my answer.

bjorn again veg 12-06-2005 04:46 PM

Not sure what you mean here.

All animals are conscious unless unconscious or dead or comatose or hibernating.

Are they self aware?

My dogs definitely have emotions.

I posted a link a few days ago about research into pigs & it would indicate they have aspirations similar to you & I (see: https://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...ad.php?t=46543)

sorrowthepig 12-06-2005 05:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bjorn again veg View Post

I posted a link a few days ago about research into pigs & it would indicate they have aspirations similar to you & I (see: https://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...ad.php?t=46543)

And they can determine that the aspirations (intentions, precisely) of other pigs are different from their own and make adjustments to behaviour accordingly. Indicative of "higher order" consciousness at least.

Judas's Carrot 12-06-2005 05:35 PM

Gallup test...


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