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#1 Old 08-30-2005, 12:36 AM
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I'm interested in getting everyone's opinions on whether meat-eaters should be patrons and/or sponsors of any Vegetarian or Vegan societies or organizations. Would you be comfortable with this, or do you think it's inappropriate?
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#2 Old 08-30-2005, 12:43 AM
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What do you mean by "patron"? Do you mean someone who simply contributes money, or do you mean the sort of patronage whereby they attach their name to the organisation? Would the patronage give them the right to advertise, or promote, meat-eating or meat products?



If it's the first one, why not take the fools money? The other examples, no, I'd not accept that particular type of help Anyway, why would a meat-eater sponser a vegetarian society?

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Do you mean someone who simply contributes money, or do you mean the sort of patronage whereby they attach their name to the organisation?



Yeah, I meant someone who does either or both of those things.
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I wouldn't want them advertising meat products, but if they want to contribute money, why not?
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I do find it extremely hypocritical when meat-eating people denounce wearing fur or animal testing or other cruelty to animals. However, they won't stop doing it, because they don't make the connection.
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#6 Old 08-30-2005, 11:39 AM
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I do find it extremely hypocritical when meat-eating people denounce wearing fur or animal testing or other cruelty to animals. However, they won't stop doing it, because they don't make the connection.



I hear you. I remember when that fur farm video was being passed around myspace everyone was so disgusted but I'm sure most of those people at meat and will continue to.
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I know many meat eaters who are concerned about animals in factory farms, and other animal rights causes. The more I delve into the depths of veg*ism, the more I see that even the most vegany vegan on the planet inadvertently kills plenty of animals through their food choices, like in eating bread made from wheat, which when harvested kills thousands of creatures that have made their home in the wheat field.

In the end, none of us can really judge.
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I do find it extremely hypocritical when meat-eating people denounce wearing fur or animal testing or other cruelty to animals. However, they won't stop doing it, because they don't make the connection.



My mother is like this. She hates fur and zoos but eats a cheeseburger like it's nothing.
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I know many meat eaters who are concerned about animals in factory farms, and other animal rights causes. The more I delve into the depths of veg*ism, the more I see that even the most vegany vegan on the planet inadvertently kills plenty of animals through their food choices, like in eating bread made from wheat, which when harvested kills thousands of creatures that have made their home in the wheat field.

In the end, none of us can really judge.



Well said and I do agree. However, i think that there is a huge difference between those of us who make a conscious effort to make a difference. The criticisms, nonacceptance, and inconvenience of our diets/beliefs draws a big line between those who care and those who really care. Not to say that I put myself on a pedestal. I do keep myself grounded with the fact that I too contribute greatly to the cruelty of animals (being a lacto-ovo veg).



With that said, I don't see a problem with meat-eaters donating money to veg*n/animal rights organizations, no matter the level of hypocrisy. It could be a fur wearing, meat-eating, seal-clubber; I'd still take their money. There's no good reason to be picky in that sense.



I also don't see a problem with non-animal-friendly corporations like KFC (Pepsi Co.) donating money to animal rights groups. I don't see anything wrong with working together to improve conditions for animals. It may not be the ideal situation for us veg*ns (ie stopping the exploitation of animals outright), BUT it's definitely a step forward.
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I don't see anything wrong with working together to improve conditions for animals. It may not be the ideal situation for us veg*ns (ie stopping the exploitation of animals outright), BUT it's definitely a step forward.



I like the idea of working together. I think all this "I'm better because I don't eat this or this" attitude is the most detrimental thing to any AR agenda.
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My mother is like this. She hates fur and zoos but eats a cheeseburger like it's nothing.

My newly ex-boyfriend as well. He would go out in the woods and spend hours setting off fur traps, and then eat a bucket of fried chicken from KFC. I really tried not to push the issue with him, but I found it's one thing to have a "to each his own" attitude in terms of omnis you meet in your day to day life, but quite another to bring an omni in to your personal veg world.

And when I kissed him, I couldn't get over the fact that he had had dead bodies in his mouth just hours before.
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From my perspective, I'm cool with meat-eaters donating money to organizations and societies if they want to, but I feel a little disappointed I guess, when I hear that a meat-eater has been made the figurehead or "patron" of an organization. I know of one vegetarian society at least that has done this. This doesn't really make sense to me. IMO, it's a bit like making a person with left-wing politics head of the Young Liberals (Rebublicans).
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If meateaters want to donate money, then I think that's great. But if a vegetarian organization has meateaters helping to run the place, that sends out a mixed message and makes the organization look hypocritical.
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#14 Old 08-31-2005, 12:18 AM
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Even if they were help run it you could tell yourself that maybe they were transitioning or something, but to be the figurehead is just plain odd.

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