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#1 Old 06-27-2005, 07:33 AM
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Just from reading this thread if I didn't know better I could assume naturally that Mexicans = very large family size and poverty.







/biased opinion (due to current living situation)



I've read through further on this thread and yes, FT, I'm a softie



I went "shopping" yesterday with a friend and I looked into (meaning DIDN'T BUY BECAUSE COULD NOT AFFORD) some hiking pants/rain gear/a mountain bike...and I made the not-so-much-of-a-joke comment that it's so much cheaper just to sit in front of one's television, than to go out and purchase gear to do some things...



And I know that one doesn't have to buy a gym membership to 'get fit'...running outside is free...but options are easily melted down when you look at the cost of shoes. $85 (USD) is "cheap" for a good pair of running shoes...or, if not, you can pay a doctor/sports therapist because you jacked up your knees/joints running in crappy shoes.



You can go try and hike up a mountain not wearing $100 hiking boots and jack up your ankles. And get mud all up on your jeans because you couldn't afford $60 for ONE PAIR OF PANTS.



And I saw a news story once on the quality level (or rather, lack thereof) of produce in "inner-city" type areas...low/poor quality to begin with, then rotting and spotty...it was heart-breaking. I could go on and on all day and probably start crying at some point (yes, I know...lame) because it's such an overwhelming issue and it's exhausting trying to tackle it all.



I think a common thread within the whole health issue vs. other major issues is this rampant APATHY and the hypocricy so irritatingly present. Panels of people will b*tch and complain that "we" need to get more physical acitivies into schools and "start 'em at a young age"...yet in many instances schools are so pressed for funds they're practically forced into sponsorships by Coke and Pepsi...two well-known culprits for popular empty calories. And perhaps instead of installing the in-school McDonald's, schools/the government could spend a *little* more money on better produce, so that kids in school won't be turned off to craptastic red "delicious" apples and ice berg lettuce and know what that stuff is REALLY supposed to taste like...



...but at the same time I fear it's already too late



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and I made the not-so-much-of-a-joke comment that it's so much cheaper just to sit in front of one's television, than to go out and purchase gear to do some things...



And I know that one doesn't have to buy a gym membership to 'get fit'...running outside is free...but options are easily melted down when you look at the cost of shoes. $85 (USD) is "cheap" for a good pair of running shoes...or, if not, you can pay a doctor/sports therapist because you jacked up your knees/joints running in crappy shoes.



You can go try and hike up a mountain not wearing $100 hiking boots and jack up your ankles. And get mud all up on your jeans because you couldn't afford $60 for ONE PAIR OF PANTS.



well, in africa and other places around the world, people often run shoeless and have a successful time of it. similarly, one can hike shoeless--assuming that the trails are clean (without glass waste on the trails). In most cases, they don't jack up their knees or ankles hiking or running without shoes. It is possible to do so.



also, most people own twill pants or other kinds of pants and it's simple enough to wear those hiking. you don't have to get 'brand names' or 'special hiking pants' to go hiking. you can wear simple athletic shorts or pants, tshirt, and carry a trash bag as rain gear (works as a poncho).



i think that there's some kind of consumer lie that we need all of these things to 'do something.' safety equipment is one thing; but basic stuff, that's another.



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I think a common thread within the whole health issue vs. other major issues is this rampant APATHY and the hypocricy so irritatingly present. Panels of people will b*tch and complain that "we" need to get more physical acitivies into schools and "start 'em at a young age"...yet in many instances schools are so pressed for funds they're practically forced into sponsorships by Coke and Pepsi...two well-known culprits for popular empty calories. And perhaps instead of installing the in-school McDonald's, schools/the government could spend a *little* more money on better produce, so that kids in school won't be turned off to craptastic red "delicious" apples and ice berg lettuce and know what that stuff is REALLY supposed to taste like...



there are a lot of issues here. it's hard to get kids active in anything if their parents aren't active in it. reading programs, for instance, stress that parents should read with their children, read on their own to demonstrate the importance of reading. Ryan and I read a lot, so no problem, but some of our good friends don't read AT ALL and can literally count the number of books that they've read since college on one hand. So, those kids may have trouble reading or may not have an interest in reading.



parents who are physically active and health conscious tend to have active and healthy kids. my parents are both athletes who are also intersted in healthy diets. therefore, easy for me to step into. many of my coworkers have very active, fit kids--because many of my coworkers are aerobics instructors and personal trainers. So, their kids are into fitness.



Schools can really only go so far, so a certain aspect of it has to start at home.



that being said, the average person is so overworked that they don't think about exercise or cooking as something really valuable. so, the kids see that tv or something more 'spectator' and inactive is the way to 'manage stress' and that's what they do.



one thing that 'gets' me though is the news people who are the 'health specialists.' on one news channel, they have an MD who does their 'health watch." this man is really interesting--in that he's a real athlete and talks about the need for activity levels (at least 30 minutes a day if not more) and a healthy diet. Whenever he does a segment on treatments for type 2 diabetes, for example, he always says "diet and exercise are the best treatments for type 2 diabetes." He was interviewed in a local magazine 'calling out' the other doctors on the other TV stations as needing to live healthy lifestyles so that they demostrate or practice what they preach on TV. it caused a big brew-ha-ha in this area, but the one doctor whom he called out is diagnosed as 'obese' and came out to say 'i know that i need to exercise, but i felt hurt that Dr. X called me out on it. that's why people have a problem with the statements--their feelings were hurt. If i can move beyond that, i can admit that he's completely right.' basicly, he went on to say that he realizes that people won't follow his advice to 'eat better and exercise' if he himself doesn't do that.



he then started on a weight loss program, which is being filmed of course, and he's doing a general 'healthy diet and exercise' regime that is the current food guide pyramid and 30 minutes of movement a day. he's lost weight already and feels better. He's also noticed that his clients are also 'on the program with Dr Y!'--particularly those clients who were most resistant to this sort of work.



so, even the role models need to be real role models.



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well, in africa and other places around the world, people often run shoeless and have a successful time of it. similarly, one can hike shoeless--assuming that the trails are clean (without glass waste on the trails). In most cases, they don't jack up their knees or ankles hiking or running without shoes. It is possible to do so.



also, most people own twill pants or other kinds of pants and it's simple enough to wear those hiking. you don't have to get 'brand names' or 'special hiking pants' to go hiking. you can wear simple athletic shorts or pants, tshirt, and carry a trash bag as rain gear (works as a poncho).



i think that there's some kind of consumer lie that we need all of these things to 'do something.' safety equipment is one thing; but basic stuff, that's another.



I don't disagree for a second about the consumer-driven thoughts drilled into my head constantly...



...and even though I've read about a d00d that hasn't worn shoes since like 1986, I wouldn't trust for a SECOND running barefoot in most of the places I run...they don't have to so much worry about broken crack pipes and beer bottles over in Africa...



And hiking barefoot? Apparently no one gets the 'Leave No Trace' concept...



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...they don't have to so much worry about broken crack pipes and beer bottles over in Africa...



Plenty of broken beer bottles and crack pipes in Africa.



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And hiking barefoot? Apparently no one gets the 'Leave No Trace' concept...



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Can you imagine hiking through an alpine field, rock hopping, barefoot?
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It really needn't cost a penny to stay fit, no matter what commercials/magazine adds and the avon catalogue (wow they have a lot of health and fitness gadgets in there) tell you. I get my shoes used. Generally from my sister or mom who buy a lot more crap than I do, and use them for short periods of time. I simply recycle their shoes when I see them. I buy used bicycles for working out, and I don't go to gyms, I used the planet as my gym . My daughter and I do a combination of hiking/biking (today we biked to the store for groceries, to a local bakery for drinks and a game of chess) and home again, and I volunteer for an organization that gets girls running (Girls on the Run) during the school year. All of this and I haven't purchased a pair of running shoes in about five years...and I don't have jacked up knees. ...and oh...I don't hike barefoot. I think I would hate the crackly dryness my feet would pick up due to all that wear.



Anyhoo...my two cents.



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In addition to what Bethanie said... you mentioned watching TV instead of exercise can be cheaper. My bf subscribes to satellite tv and it costs him $50 a month. I think cable is priced similarly (?). Two months worth of satellite TV and you've got yourself a new pair of sneakers



Also, I just bought a pair of $20 roller blades and just rolling to and from work has been the most exercise I've gotten in months!
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rolling to and from work sounds like a lot of fun acadia.



TV is kind of a big problem is it not? I mean, I'd never dream of paying for cable tv, but plenty of people who have/make less than I do wouldn't live without cable.
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It's great! I love it. Plus, it gives me the energy through the day to work to the best of my ability.



You're right about cable. Plenty of people see it as just another necessary bill--like water, gas, etc. Now there's all this fancy stuff, like high definition, TV that you can rewind and replay and all that...just boggles my mind what people pay for that stuff!
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the concept of doing it barefoot is simply to put out there that you don't need fancy shoes.



i knew nuns who lived in the himalayas as children and didn't have fancy shoes (or any shoes) most of the time. i don't know if they were alpine rock hopping or not, but i figure that if kids in india can do it, i don't see why i can't.



anyway, you can do any number of things and manage to not get 'jacked up' joints. you can buy chuck tailors at $30 and go from there.
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Can you imagine hiking through an alpine field, rock hopping, barefoot?



<<< has done it (well, I have, I don't know about Amy Ray) I didn't run into any problems until I hit the briars that had grown over the path.
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anyway, you can do any number of things and manage to not get 'jacked up' joints. you can buy chuck tailors at $30 and go from there.



>_<



In the kinesiological sense, running in a practically support-less pair of Chucks on hard pavement would be a pretty bad idea...



...since not everyone has perfected their "barefoot stride"...



...leading to MUCH IMPACT on the knee joints...



And I don't have the freaking hills and plains and bush of Africa as my backyard to run in. I run up and down 6th Ave. Street. Road. Pavement. Hard.



BTW, I don't know how much cable costs because I don't have TV. My internet company always tries to scam me with their basic package ($30/mo.) so that's the figure I used as a reference point for that statement. And, $30 is less expensive than an actual pair of RUNNING shoes. Not pop-culture-pseudo-icons. I realize there are packages that can really get up there with the TV companies...



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http://www.runningbarefoot.org/ Is this the guy you read about?



These guys say that shoes are the reason why we have problemes running, regardless of flat feet (my problem), high arches, pronating, etc, etc.



This guy is from So Cal (as I am) and I've actually seen him and a number of his group members at almost every single marathon and 1/2 marathon I've done.



The concept interests me, however I tried running barefoot once and was in pain for the next three days (muscle, tendon aches). Guess I"m just not used to using those muscles.



I often wonder if the heat scalds their feet (LA marathon 04 in 98 degree temps on black pavement and all kinds of junk on the ground). I guess their feet just get really thick calases (sp??) or something.



Also running in the snow, I don't know how that would work.
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http://www.runningbarefoot.org/ Is this the guy you read about?



These guys say that shoes are the reason why we have problemes running, regardless of flat feet (my problem), high arches, pronating, etc, etc.



This guy is from So Cal (as I am) and I've actually seen him and a number of his group members at almost every single marathon and 1/2 marathon I've done.



The concept interests me, however I tried running barefoot once and was in pain for the next three days (muscle, tendon aches). Guess I"m just not used to using those muscles.



I often wonder if the heat scalds their feet (LA marathon 04 in 98 degree temps on black pavement and all kinds of junk on the ground). I guess their feet just get really thick calases (sp??) or something.



Also running in the snow, I don't know how that would work.



(bold added)



That's a good point too...when it snows here, it really snows (generally).



And yeah, that website...there was an article on him in Runner's World...that's what I meant when I said that not everyone has 'perfected their barefoot-stride' because I remember reading his 'theory' on shoes, etc. but...



...it's probably just my dainty-little-woman feet that's got my feathers all ruffled



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We generally have the opposite problem here in CA. We would worry about burning our toes off. Hehe.



I figured that you HAD to mean him. It is always fun searching for them in the crowd at a race though.
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1. barefoot in an APLINE environment = a) stupid b) unsafe c) environmentally unfriendly d) see a.







I just needed to add that.
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1. barefoot in an APLINE environment = a) stupid b) unsafe c) environmentally unfriendly d) see a.







I just needed to add that.



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Oh, what do you Canooks know, eh?







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More then someone who'd walk across an alpine field
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In the kinesiological sense, running in a practically support-less pair of Chucks on hard pavement would be a pretty bad idea...



...since not everyone has perfected their "barefoot stride"...



...leading to MUCH IMPACT on the knee joints...



Perhaps, then, there should be more focus in running on perfecting one's barefoot stride, rather than using shoes to do that work for you.



as an aside, my husband has been a runner for years (5 k distances, mostly). he also has flat feet and one leg is a little shorter than the other. he has a lift for his shoes on one side. he's always used specific support shoes to run.



over the past 6 years, we've worked on his foot structure through a series of yoga exercises, through walking barefoot, and then running on grass barefoot (in our neighborhood's greenspace). very short distances, mostly about mindfulness.



today, he has a discernable arch when he stands or walks. He now runs frequently on the sidewalks in our neighborhood without shoes. this would be concreate side walks. Even with his one leg shorter (we found a way to manage that aspect of his stride), he's still able to do it.



He said that if someone had told him how to manage his feet and legs when he was younger, he probably would have been able to avoid the knee injury he had at 18--even though he'd been wearing appropriate shoes. Interesting huh?



Another client of mine ran a weekend race last weekend. The tuesday prior, we'd spent an entire yoga class focusing on feet, culminating with a walking meditation to help maintain proper stature and alignment while walking. he then applied that to his running that weekend, where he increased his time by 2 minutes (and it was hot on saturday!). He was wearing 'good' shoes, albeit a little old and worn, but the difference he said was in how he watched his foot working, he wsa able to get better knee lift, and the whole race was much easier than in the past.



Perhaps actually paying attention to feet, instead of compensating through expensive equipment would be a method of liberation. I'm not against people buying the running shoes that they want or feel that they need. but i think it's important to recognize that what we think we need and what we actually need may be two different things.



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And I don't have the freaking hills and plains and bush of Africa as my backyard to run in. I run up and down 6th Ave. Street. Road. Pavement. Hard.



i don't either. but, we do have some green space in our neighborhood. but, my husband does run on roads (black top which is springier) and on the sidewalk in our neighborhood (which is concrete). he seems to do quite well. I do well enough with the run/walk trail near the Y, which is 1/3 blacktop and 2/3 fine gravel. i walk the gravel part, run the black top part. I used to do it in old shoes, which hurt my feet, and when i started doing it barefoot, it was much better. I don't have any knee problems, feet problems, or whatever else.



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i wasn't arguing the point about being barefoot in alpline places. honestly, i don't rightly know wht constitutes alpine. They say that when you get high enough into a mountain, you're in an alpine area. I climbed Mt Kataden and about 1/2 up, i decided to go barefoot because it was easier and more comfortable than my shoes. I wasn't harmed by it--and my feet were far less sore than my husband's or our friend's.



but, again, i don't know if that 'qualifies' as 'alpine' in any way. And, i do know that there are plenty of people throughout the world who have home-made shoes (traditional) rather than expensive western hiking or work boots who live in mountainous regions (tibet, northern india, etc). They seem to do fine without their "NorthFace" equipment.



And, that's my point. A lot of people think that you need expensive equipment to do a lot of things--not necessarily. a lot of people do a lot of things with minimal or no equipment.
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Perhaps, then, there should be more focus in running on perfecting one's barefoot stride, rather than using shoes to do that work for you.



as an aside, my husband has been a runner for years (5 k distances, mostly). he also has flat feet and one leg is a little shorter than the other. he has a lift for his shoes on one side. he's always used specific support shoes to run.



over the past 6 years, we've worked on his foot structure through a series of yoga exercises, through walking barefoot, and then running on grass barefoot (in our neighborhood's greenspace). very short distances, mostly about mindfulness.



today, he has a discernable arch when he stands or walks. He now runs frequently on the sidewalks in our neighborhood without shoes. this would be concreate side walks. Even with his one leg shorter (we found a way to manage that aspect of his stride), he's still able to do it.



He said that if someone had told him how to manage his feet and legs when he was younger, he probably would have been able to avoid the knee injury he had at 18--even though he'd been wearing appropriate shoes. Interesting huh?



Another client of mine ran a weekend race last weekend. The tuesday prior, we'd spent an entire yoga class focusing on feet, culminating with a walking meditation to help maintain proper stature and alignment while walking. he then applied that to his running that weekend, where he increased his time by 2 minutes (and it was hot on saturday!). He was wearing 'good' shoes, albeit a little old and worn, but the difference he said was in how he watched his foot working, he wsa able to get better knee lift, and the whole race was much easier than in the past.



Perhaps actually paying attention to feet, instead of compensating through expensive equipment would be a method of liberation. I'm not against people buying the running shoes that they want or feel that they need. but i think it's important to recognize that what we think we need and what we actually need may be two different things.







i don't either. but, we do have some green space in our neighborhood. but, my husband does run on roads (black top which is springier) and on the sidewalk in our neighborhood (which is concrete). he seems to do quite well. I do well enough with the run/walk trail near the Y, which is 1/3 blacktop and 2/3 fine gravel. i walk the gravel part, run the black top part. I used to do it in old shoes, which hurt my feet, and when i started doing it barefoot, it was much better. I don't have any knee problems, feet problems, or whatever else.





It's a shame competitive and professional athletes don't use these techniques. I'm sure the records would fall one by one if they did.
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It's a shame competitive and professional athletes don't use these techniques. I'm sure the records would fall one by one if they did.

Quite a few pro athletes do use yoga and pilates. And don't forget, the 100 meter dash men's record was broken about a week ago by Asafa Powell.
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Quite a few pro athletes do use yoga and pilates. And don't forget, the 100 meter dash men's record was broken about a week ago by Asafa Powell.



They don't use yoga to train their feet to run barefoot. We are talking about distance running anyway, thats a different ball of wax than 100 meters where people have run barefoot in competition, but a competition consists of about 25 steps and a couple ounces makes a big difference.
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They don't use yoga to train their feet to run barefoot. We are talking about distance running anyway, thats a different ball of wax than 100 meters where people have run barefoot in competition, but a competition consists of about 25 steps and a couple ounces makes a big difference.



But but but...there is a man who has not worn shoes since 1986 and he runs all over the state of California AND THE WORLD, sans shoes, and he is all-knowing in the ways of nekke-feet-run-styleism-methods-for-the-l33t.



http://www.runningbarefoot.org



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But but but...there is a man who has not worn shoes since 1986 and he runs all over the state of California AND THE WORLD, sans shoes, and he is all-knowing in the ways of nekke-feet-run-styleism-methods-for-the-l33t.



http://www.runningbarefoot.com



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There is a girl that lives down the hall from me that constantly talks to herself whenever she is walking down the hall, waiting for an elevator, or riding the elevator (presumably at other times too). I won't be trying that anytime soon, either.
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it is actually www.runningbarefoot.org



And Ken is actually a really nice guy.
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it is actually www.runningbarefoot.org



And Ken is actually a really nice guy.



I don't doubt that he is



And Remi: c'mon now. LET LOOSE.



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I particually like him in this picture: http://www.runningbarefoot.org/?name...1.png&size=500
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Interesting about barefoot runners!



Be happy you can run sans shoes or with them. My husband is having terrible problems with his feet.



Right now he's at the doctor's. He can only do his job or walk a trail with meds and that's not working very well anymore. I just hope something can be done. (Please, no advice for him: I didn't ask for it, I'm just complaining.)



So just run and be happy! I don't understand all this technical stuff about running shoes, by the way.
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I don't understand all this technical stuff about running shoes, by the way.



Don't even try because it ain't worth a dime...



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