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#1 Old 05-09-2005, 03:22 PM
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Vegan, Veg*n, Vegetarian, Flexatarian, pescetarian, Qadafi ... etc.



There's been a metric ton of threads bickering about all these labels, and their vague meanings, and I agree, they make things confusing, especially when they're so loosely applied. A hundred different words with a hundred different meanings each, and each meaning only subtly different than the last.



But what do we have in place of them? As a vegan, for example, you want the label so everyone knows your level of commitment to your ethics. On the other hand, one person's vegan is another persons vegetarian, depending on how strictly you interpret the definition of veganism.



How do we give people the credit they deserve without having to wallow in this bone yard of labels (and the accompanying differences they seem to evoke/reinforce)?







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We live our lives. I know. Stunningly simple but effective.



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Without a label, how will anyone know my washing instructions?
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#4 Old 05-09-2005, 03:38 PM
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They serve a purpose. It's a lot easier to say "I'm am Vegan" rather than "I do not eat meat or anything that contains animal products." It's a shame people use them and abuse them, thus causing confusion for those who aren't vegan or vegetarian. Flexitarian seems like a pointless label. I don't see much purpose in it other than letting people know that you like to consume as little meat as possible.



I think the problem with labels comes when one uses it as a status symbol rather than for practical purposes.
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As a vegan, for example, you want the label so everyone knows your level of commitment to your ethics.



Not me, I only use the word vegan when I am trying to get information, eg "Is this vegan?"
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Nobody I have doings with IRL knows what the heck a Vegan is. Nevermind a Flexitarian or any other -arian.



I find "Does this have any dairy, egg or meat in it?" far more effective than "Is this vegan?". I say I have extremely dangerous allergies and I find people answer truthfully without getting upset. Nobody wants a lawsuit. Allergies make people very careful. There is no such thing as a meat-allergy but if people start thinking there is I see that as an Urban Legend that can work for me.



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Nobody I have doings with IRL knows what the heck a Vegan is. Nevermind a Flexitarian or any other -arian.



I find "Does this have any dairy, egg or meat in it?" far more effective than "Is this vegan?". I say I have extremely dangerous allergies and I find people answer truthfully without getting upset. Nobody wants a lawsuit. Allergies make people very careful. There is no such thing as a meat-allergy but if people start thinking there is I see that as an Urban Legend that can work for me.



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Portland is different, most local restaurants use the word vegan on their signage or menus.
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Portland is different, most local restaurants use the word vegan on their signage or menus.



Portland has superior beer too. Hmm. I sense a visit to Portland in my future.



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They have great coffee, too.







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I think I'll come up with a new term for vegetarian that, being brand new, will not carry all the weight of the stereotype.



And when people ask how I'm different then a vegetarian Ill be all like



"Well gee...its just like it except vegetarians all go to the bathroom in the woods, hug trees, shove broccoli down your throat and bomb Mcdonalds' and stuffs"





I shall call it!...: Eatabeany-ism!

...no...thats no good, is it? How about headaletas-ism?

....um....meatmakamepuky?...

ah screw it.
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Without a label, how will anyone know my washing instructions?



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<<<<<<I have converted! Long live the Golden Soybean!!!
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<<<<Is still giggling....respectfully...: ) over the beardless Golden Soybean.



....(Quickly makes an offering of hummus and pita to ward off Soybean wrath.)



honestly though....what kind of diety doesnt have a flowy long white beard?
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My label says, "contents may settle during shipping."
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I don't currently have a label and I have to say its quite enjoyable. I like it cause it means I can do whatever the heck I want without people feeling justified pointing out that whatever I happen to be doing/eating/wearing at the moment is contradicting my label. It would also be fun to act against the anti-label by giving myself a contradictory label that really makes no sense at all ...
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Well, IMO we should say F**k it and just wear gang colors. Sharks vs. Jets, Plug Uglys vs. Baker Street Irregulars, Sweathogs vs. The X-Men, Worshipers of the Golden Bean vs. Ye Olde Mythical Society of Jehova's Vegans.



Just have a rumble and be done with it.
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A rumble?!!!! I'm all over that! I've never participated in a rumble, and let me tell you, I feel deprived because of it.
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Thank goodness for edit-post, eh?



Yeah.
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The labels only mean something to those that understand them.



Also, even if someone is familiar with the terminology, they may not realize some of the more sneaky ingredients that you might find objectionable (gelatin, etc.)



I like to be specific on what I will and won't eat. I'm l/o (for now) and I usually say "I don't eat meat..." instead of "I'm vegetarian". Or, a good old "what's in it?" so that I can decide for myself.
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The labels only mean something to those that understand them.



Also, even if someone is familiar with the terminology, they may not realize some of the more sneaky ingredients that you might find objectionable (gelatin, etc.)



I like to be specific on what I will and won't eat. I'm l/o (for now) and I usually say "I don't eat meat..." instead of "I'm vegetarian". Or, a good old "what's in it?" so that I can decide for myself.



exactly.



I say just throw out the labels altogether, I only use them when I speak to other veg*ns (this board)
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A rumble?!!!! I'm all over that! I've never participated in a rumble, and let me tell you, I feel deprived because of it.



We should probably set the rules. Nothing more painful than a wet noodle for example.
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We live our lives. I know. Stunningly simple but effective.



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Amen to that.



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I told the guy at the Indian restaurant today that I was vegan. Made it much easier for him to point out which dishes were most appropriate for my diet.



We both found the label helpful in conducting an expedient transaction.
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for the purpose of this discussion, how does "label" differ from "concept"?



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#25 Old 05-10-2005, 03:46 AM
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The funniest part is that the term 'vegan' was originally dreamt up because the the term 'vegetarian' was so ambigious. And now 'vegan' is becoming ambigious
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There's ambiguities in any concept. But there is this:



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VEGANISM may be defined as a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practical, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.



A lot of the conflicts have to do with different ideas of what is possible and practical.
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ding-ding!
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I told the guy at the Indian restaurant today that I was vegan. Made it much easier for him to point out which dishes were most appropriate for my diet.



We both found the label helpful in conducting an expedient transaction.



It's funny that you mention that, because I had the opposite experience. I called an Indian place and asked if they had vegan selections. The guy told me, "no." Then I asked if they had any vegetarian food without egg or dairy, and he said, "yes."







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#29 Old 05-10-2005, 02:54 PM
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>>Then I asked if they had any vegetarian food without egg or dairy, and he said, "yes."

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honey, honey everywhere?



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#30 Old 05-10-2005, 02:56 PM
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^^^What he said
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