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#1 Old 02-07-2005, 12:57 PM
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President Bush is proposing to reduce spending on public health and social welfare in the US to help pay for tax cuts and the war in Iraq, according to early reports of today's White House budget.



In an attempt to keep government spending under control at a time of record deficits, Mr Bush's proposals to Congress will include cuts in public housing subsidies, in health projects aimed at diseases related to poverty, and in food stamps, which help America's poorest buy groceries.



Mr Bush inherited a budget surplus from Bill Clinton but is now running deficits of over $400bn (£215bn) a year, partly as a result of an economic slump and the September 11 attacks. But the turnaround is also due to huge tax cuts which disproportionately benefit the wealthiest 1% of Americans, and the war in Iraq, for which the administration has asked for another $80bn this year.



Some state governments provide food stamps not only to families on welfare but also to those receiving job-related aid such as for childcare. The new budget would restrict that practice, the Los Angeles Times reported yesterday.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...407400,00.html





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Who better to have it fall on? They don't contribute to the wealth, they deserve...nothing.
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Who better to have it fall on? They don't contribute to the wealth, they deserve...nothing.



That is right!



You are worth only the money you make. That is a great motto. [/sarcasm]
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Yes, Social Darwinism is wonderful.
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Who better to have it fall on? They don't contribute to the wealth, they deserve...nothing.



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Thanks for reinforcing my image of Republicans as people who care about nothing but their own pockets.

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Arrrgggggg. Is there no end with this man?



I hope there are not more slashing steps in the future. I hope he doesn't cut mental health programs, which are parred down to the bone as is. I hope he doesn't follow in Reagan's footsteps there. I hope and pray he doesn't mess with social security mental disability. I know I was stupid since I've never voted Republican since 1973 and I didn't vote for him, but he looked so harmless when he was first elected. You'd think I'd remembered Iran-Contra. Since then I've read (parts of) a couple books outlining the Bush's dynasty and how devious they all are.
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speaking of the bush dynasty...



anyone read House of Bush, House of Saud?
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Who better to have it fall on? They don't contribute to the wealth, they deserve...nothing.



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There's a very similar thread going in the Frugal Forum. Maybe a moderator could merge the two threads?
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Who better to have it fall on? They don't contribute to the wealth, they deserve...nothing.

They will, if they're given a chance and a paycheque. And they still do, if you can get your ***** and look around a bit They're just being exploited, that's all!
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Oh no, the poor deserve to be poor. After all, poverty is a moral failing.
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We should all just work and put our pay into a big pot and divvy it up equally among the masses.
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Well, yeah, Drake. It's not as though Jesus said anything really stupid like "Whatever you do to the least of these you do to me", that would be of concern to committed Christians like you.
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So true. Where's Karl Marx when you need him most
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So true. Where's Karl Marx when you need him most

I heard he gets channelled through Jesus.
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Strange, I thought I talked to him through the TV one day while listening to Robert Tilton
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He was giving me tax shelter advice
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We should all just work and put our pay into a big pot and divvy it up equally among the masses.

Ummmm... no, but if you were in Russia a few years back the govt. there would have loved you
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Ummmm... no, but if you were in Russia a few years back the govt. there would have loved you

I think he was being sarcastic.



PS. The gov't in Russia didn't actually love equitable redistribution. The USSR made sure that there was a vanguaard of beurocrats and technocrats who had much more power/money than the average worker. So much for the "revolution".
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Ummmm... no,



Oh yes! If we could just all agree to full redistribution of wealth this country would flourish and everyone would live in total harmony without poverty and no little children going hungry
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I think he was being sarcastic.



PS. The gov't in Russia didn't actually love equitable redistribution. The USSR made sure that there was a vanguaard of beurocrats and technocrats who had much more power/money than the average worker. So much for the "revolution".

Yep, I know! I was too. I hear ya about the "revolution".
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I think he was being sarcastic.



I bet you go around at Christmas telling littel kids there is no Santa Claus......

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So true. Where's Karl Marx when you need him most

I think there is something between communism and social darwinism.



Like, providing for the needs of everyone, but allowing people to rise above their needs if they can find a way.



False Dichotomy. Do you have anything else, or should we just stop this now?
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Something about this thread I find depressing...'perhaps I've walked too far today.'



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Who better to have it fall on? They don't contribute to the wealth, they deserve...nothing.



If it's a choice between handouts and freedom, I take freedom. If it's a choice between handouts, and sending kids who should be chasing girls overseas to die in a war of dubious merit, I'll take the handouts.



That, folks, is the LIBERTARIAN difference. We believe in the more efficient waste of taxpayers money.







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I figured out what it is about this thread I find depressing...all the 'below the poverty line' children I work with who's parents rely on those handouts that are going to get axed. There is absolutely nothing funny or hopeful about hearing the stories some of my kids have to tell about where their parents are living this week. I know...I've read Ishmael and I get it about population control and survival of the fittest. I've just got too many short friends who will be effected to not care.



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>>If it's a choice between handouts and freedom, I take freedom.>>



It, of course, is not.



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I figured out what it is about this thread I find depressing...all the 'below the poverty line' children I work with who's parents rely on those handouts that are going to get axed. There is absolutely nothing funny or hopeful about hearing the stories some of my kids have to tell about where their parents are living this week. I know...I've read Ishmael and I get it about population control and survival of the fittest. I've just got too many short friends who will be effected to not care.



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When I unexpectedly got pregnant 2 years ago, I decided it would be best if I stayed home with our baby. This cut our income by more than half, and after rent & utilities, we only had $200/month for EVERYTHING - food, clothing, medical bills, etc. It was pretty much impossible.



Then I discovered Washington state programs that could help. Due to our low income, we got on WIC (Women, Infants & Children) that gives free food coupons for certain foods, and we got on medical coupons that gave us FREE healthcare. It was a miracle. We would not have survived without it.



Before I got married I came from a family who never had to worry about money. I had thought I would NEVER take help from anyone. Then, when the health & survival of my own family came into question, I was SO glad that the government came through to help.



There are families out there that are so much worse off than we were! I know a family with 3 young children whose income is only $1000/month! They work so hard, and love their kids so much, and RELY on these types of programs for their mere survival.



I see so much waste in this society. Millions of dollars spent to renovate a museum. Billions spent on weapons. Excessive waste spent on PR functions for government officials...there are SO MANY OTHER THINGS that can be cut! It appalls me that this country is stealing from the one group of people who is barely surviving as it is.



I can do without our highways being renovated. Homeless families CANNOT do without food and shelter.
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Yup...I agree colorful. I don't make a lot of money as a teaching assistant, but I choose to do it now because I want to teach. And I also get child support for my daughter (over half of which goes to pay for child care). We are right there struggling, but the thing is... I know of mothers who don't get child support at all. I quite simply KNOW they would not make it without the 'handouts' that are so sneered at by some. I've never had to use governmental assistance, but I'm so happy to know it is in place for people who need it...when they need it.



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I totally agree with the last three posts.



Here in Missouri, the newly elected Republican governor (who ran on a "moral values" platform) is slashing Medicaid.
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