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GhostUser 01-29-2005 02:59 PM

The subject of feminine youth and beauty has stirred some controversy lately, so, naturally, I thought it deserved it's own thread. This subject has come up as a part of a number of other related subjects, like Barely Legal Porn and Porn generally; men cheating on their partners with younger, prettier, girls; etc. and it always manages to get feathers ruffled.



Well, sorry if this thread does the same thing, but I feel like I have to say a thing or two about women and their overwhelmingly important looks.



I can't speak for other men, but I honestly believe that the looks issue is an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. In a world where we are inundated with images of sexuality, 95% of which are images of young women, you also have alot of men saying that looks don't mean much to them. This doesn't follow, and, honestly, I think these men are not being completely honest (I mean, how could they be when all those young hotties are selling so much stuff to them so successfully?). I think for most men, female beauty is very important, and very attention getting, and gives them a great deal of pleasure, but they are unwilling to say so because of the potential to offend women, and/or because they don't think they could get the girl of their dreams, and wish to curry favor with those they consider to be available.



IOW, it's a little like women faking orgasms, with playing down the importance of looks being about the ego of partners, or potential partners, and not about saying it like it is.



For myself, some of my most cherished memories from my youth are so cherished because they involved a young pretty girl, sex, and my hands-on involvement. It was intensely wonderful to feel that way, to have what I had, and hardly a day goes by that I don't think about it.



Now, this does not mean that looks are the ONLY thing that matters. Nor does it mean that other factors cannot be more important. For example, I would not be attracted to a woman with a great body but a lousy attitude, and I think most guys would feel the same way. I would, however, still enjoy looking at her, and would not downplay the pity that such a desireable looking woman had to be such a *****.



Personally, I think it's high time we're honest with ourselves, and with our emotions, and give hotties the credit they deserve. Just because their appreciation is largely a part of the much maligned and "piggish" male sexuality doesn't make their beauty any less important than the beauty of a sunny day, a Mozart symphony, or a happy surprise. Just because a man lusts after something doesn't make it dirty, "animalistic", or less important than more respectable female sensibilities.



Beautiful women are a great thing, and I will always enjoy and admire them, and the many feelings that they inspire (both above and below my waist) as the sublime and wonderful things that they are. And I think it does a great injustice to men to expect them to disown their feelings and sexuality to appease fear, either of not being loved by women because of the way you feel, or that they will not love themselves, or both.







The Rev

soilman 01-29-2005 03:15 PM

Yea, I like pretty young girls too. Edited to read: I like pretty, young, girls, too.

beforewisdom 01-29-2005 03:16 PM

I think looks matter both to men and women. I also agree with you that people are not honest about it.



Looks do count.



A superficial person is a person for whom looks are the only thing that counts or a person for whom looks count more then other more important qualities.

MercurialMe 01-29-2005 03:22 PM

Interesting topic Rev, I respect your honesty on this subject.



A man not afraid of posting honest reflections on a controversial subject!



btw:.....watch out for incoming



When it comes to looks, I agree with you, both males and females are attracted to beauty. In terms of objectification though, I do not believe women's objectification of beautiful boys barely out of their teens or young men is even on the same or approaches the level of that of men's objectification of youthful female beauty.







MeMe

Ludi 01-29-2005 03:26 PM

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I like pretty, young, girls, too.



Same here. Why is this considered controversial?

soilman 01-29-2005 03:27 PM

While we're on the subject, And I'm sure i'm gonna get a lot of praise for saying this: when I was young, I was so horny all the time, middle aged and old women, who are kinda not so attractive, could get me off. Anything could get me off. Now that I'm old, the only thing that can get me off is a really young, pretty girl.

soilman 01-29-2005 03:34 PM

Not that there is any thing wrong with middle-aged and older women. I value them highly. And respect them, and their abilities. And I like many of them quite alot. But in order to get an erection -- I need a young, pretty girl.

soilman 01-29-2005 03:35 PM

Does anyone know where I can buy a fruit-and-egg-proof vest?

beforewisdom 01-29-2005 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by soilman View Post

While we're on the subject, And I'm sure i'm gonna get a lot of praise for saying this: when I was young, I was so horny all the time, middle aged and old women, who are kinda not so attractive, could get me off. Anything could get me off. Now that I'm old, the only thing that can get me off is a really young, pretty girl.



When I was in my teens I found women from their mid 30's to their mid 40s to be the most interesting and the most attractive ( if they took care of themselves and stayed engaged in life ).



Now I am in that age range, and you know who I find to be the most interesting women and the most attractive women? Women in their mid 30's to mid 40's who are engaged in life and who take care of themselves.



The only difference is now they will pay attention to me.

Ludi 01-29-2005 03:50 PM

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I need a young, pretty girl.



Sounds like you need to get a job as a Sugar Daddy!

Jes 01-29-2005 03:56 PM

I like hot young men. Demi Moore, rock on.

GhostUser 01-29-2005 03:58 PM

A gal that is beautiful inside is hot to me.

Marie 01-29-2005 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FalafelsRule View Post

A gal that is beautiful inside is hot to me.



Aww

Christy 01-29-2005 04:09 PM

Well, I couldn't be with a man I wasn't attracted to physically. But then if he was a pretty boy but a dolt or an *******, no dice. I think I posted this somewhere else, but I have a friend who is now dating non-pretty boys after years of getting burned by her superficiality.

GhostUser 01-29-2005 04:16 PM

If I was not intially attracted to what is on the outside of a person, I could later fall for them after getting to know what is on the inside. What is on the otuside plays a small part in who I eventually fall for. Fortuantely for me, I do not have any one specific type of gal that I think is hot. I can potentially be attracted to all different types.

renaissancesun 01-29-2005 05:49 PM

There is an activity we have high schoolers and middle schoolers do in a sexuality workshop that involves them drawing or describing in visual terms thier idea of the perfect man and woman. We then talk about the differences and similarities in the drawings and what influences their ideals. So far, nobody has not had an ideal of physical attractiveness but when we go on to discuss where that falls in thier priorities, and what other requirements or desires they have, it is never the most important thing for them and all of them are willing to look or have before looked outside of those ideas of physical perfection. All of them can find physical beauty in people who don't match up with thier pictures and all of the high school kids talked about how someone might not look as attractive but when the got to know them, they looked better.



"Hottie" might be to a large degree culturally and biologically determined, but I think people are more complex and most are hopefully less shallow than to make that the thing they base relationships on.



I think almost all people who can see like to look at pretty people.



I thought my husband was kind of wierd looking when I met him, but now I think he's pretty da**ed adorable. He's in the gallery, in a bubble bath, if you want to see.

SeaSiren 01-29-2005 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beforewisdom View Post

When I was in my teens I found women from their mid 30's to their mid 40s to be the most interesting and the most attractive ( if they took care of themselves and stayed engaged in life ).



Now I am in that age range, and you know who I find to be the most interesting women and the most attractive women? Women in their mid 30's to mid 40's who are engaged in life and who take care of themselves.



The only difference is now they will pay attention to me.





Seriously, I think as long as the person (male or female) takes care of themselves. Dresses according to body type, exercises, eats well, is clean, will automatically be more attractive then those who don't try to look good/feel good about themselves. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, there are some hot men in their 50's and 60's who work out at the gym.

Astarte 01-29-2005 08:05 PM

I believe it goes both ways with this issue. A lot of women will often say that it's what is inside a man that counts and not his exterior. I will be the first to admit that I like men that look good. I do! I like men that dress well, have symmetrical features, broad shoulders, narrow waist and all that. I will not get involved with a man whom I don't find physically attractive. I don't think that makes me superficial.



That said, I won't write off a guy who's got everything else going for him. If he doesn't appeal to me initially, there's no saying he won't grow on me and I'll become physically attracted to him. It's happened before.



I wouldn't expect a man to date a woman he wasn't attracted to physically, and it's no secret that men like attractive women! That's why they're attractive. They...attract.

Loki 01-29-2005 08:23 PM

I like to thnk of myself as being an objective person who doesn't judge on looks, bu tI do. Although looks are a small part of what i judge on. I judge personality and attitude quite a bit, as that's what really matters to me.



but I must admit that the bombardment with sexuality is intense, and it does tend to focus on looks more than anything else.

GhostUser 01-29-2005 09:20 PM

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Now that I'm old, the only thing that can get me off is a really young, pretty girl.



How old do you mean when you say a really young, pretty girl?

Marie 01-29-2005 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SeaSiren View Post





Seriously, I think as long as the person (male or female) takes care of themselves. Dresses according to body type, exercises, eats well, is clean, will automatically be more attractive then those who don't try to look good/feel good about themselves. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, there are some hot men in their 50's and 60's who work out at the gym.



Peter Brady (I forget his real name) is in his late 40s and is super hot. Yeah

Loki 01-29-2005 09:30 PM

I don't know how old natalie portman is, but she's hot!

Kurmudgeon 01-29-2005 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyKass View Post

How old do you mean when you say a really young, pretty girl?



Do we really want to know?

GhostUser 01-29-2005 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Loki View Post

I don't know how old natalie portman is, but she's hot!

She's older than you

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delicious 01-29-2005 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by soilman View Post

While we're on the subject, And I'm sure i'm gonna get a lot of praise for saying this: when I was young, I was so horny all the time, middle aged and old women, who are kinda not so attractive, could get me off. Anything could get me off. Now that I'm old, the only thing that can get me off is a really young, pretty girl.






GhostUser 01-29-2005 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by renaissancesun View Post

I thought my husband was kind of wierd looking when I met him, but now I think he's pretty da**ed adorable. He's in the gallery, in a bubble bath, if you want to see.



"Hey dude, that's a strange looking rubber duc-- OH, OH, THAT'S JUST WRONG!!"







The Rev

GhostUser 01-29-2005 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soilman View Post

While we're on the subject, And I'm sure i'm gonna get a lot of praise for saying this: when I was young, I was so horny all the time, middle aged and old women, who are kinda not so attractive, could get me off. Anything could get me off. Now that I'm old, the only thing that can get me off is a really young, pretty girl.



I kinda know what you mean. When I was a teenager, a stiff breeze would get a rise out of me. Now, that I have aged a bit, and my libido has waned, I find it takes more to really get my attention.



I honestly think it is proof that God has a cruel sense of humor when you consider this. Men start losing interest in women physically just as soon as they start getting interesting as people. It can't be helped, it's biology. Still, I would love to have the feelings I felt with my High School girlfriends (especially Sharon ) with my current S/O. It kinda sucks to think that the most aroused I will ever be was with a confused 16-year old who contributed nothing to my life.



Then again, God DOES have a harsh sense of humor.







The Rev

Marie 01-29-2005 10:32 PM

Umm.. I flubbed up my post and I don't feel like fixing it.

GhostUser 01-29-2005 10:34 PM

/sigh Again, being someone who can barely coordinate matching socks in the morning, looks is the last thing I think about when finding someone worth looking twice at.



I like sterotypical geeks. Those are the men I've always gotten along with. I'm comfortable around them. If I walked into a bar and all the jockey, studdly men all looked at me, I'd probably walked out, terrified. However, when I walk into a gaming store during a Classic BattleTech weekend party and all the guys in the store turn their heads and the store clerks come running to ask me if I want to play...now that I can handle. Why? Because they are my people

Foxy 01-29-2005 10:41 PM

It's not always easy to be a beautiful young woman...


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