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#1 Old 06-18-2016, 11:21 AM
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How is farmstead milk bad for the cows?

What really happens there? They don't get inpregnated, calves are not separated, right?

How comes the cows still give milk after their calves are grown up? Continuous milking?

What would a vegan say to a farmer?
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You can learn the answers to a lot of these questions simple by doing a google search, or even just this wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_cattle#Management

Dairy cows don't continuously produce milk, as far as I know. Everything I have read about cows says that they only produce milk for a limited time (maybe 1 year at most), then they are impregnated again, or, if they are too old or stop producing enough milk for other reasons, sold to slaughter.

When the cows give birth, what happens to the babies? The females could become more milking cows, but the males may become veal or beef cattle. I would say being slaughtered for veal or beef is a pretty bad fate.

None of this considers how the cows are treated, which is often pretty badly. You can find undercover videos of "industry standard" treatment of cows on the Mercy for Animals website.
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...[cows] only produce milk for a limited time (maybe 1 year at most), then they are impregnated again
Does a horny bull count?

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...but the males may become veal or beef cattle.
What if they spin the lucky wheel of "can you mill it? will it blend?" instead?

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...undercover videos of "industry standard" treatment of cows
I specifically said farmstead.

But thanks for the reply, keep it coming!
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Just like humans, cows only produce milk during/shortly after pregnancy, so they would have to be repeatedly impregnated in order to ensure a steady, profitable amount. And if the calves are not separated, there isn't enough milk for humans, because the calves drink it all.

It is also likely the cows are slaughtered long before their expected normal lifespan, and not painlessly either, although there is no humane way to kill an animal that wants to live.
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The first article below gives a fairly good description of what it is like to raise a cow on a small farmstead. Everything is in there...from artificial insemination versus natural pregnancy, to what to do with the newborn calf (separate, keep, sell), to all the "breeds" and which ones are best for milking versus butcher, to the cost and land required to raise a cow. The whole attitude of the writer is one of economic importance to the farmer, NOT in how well the cow is treated and what happens to her. Environment and other issues such as protection from predators isn't addressed. It is a long article, about nine pages, so take your time and REALLY read it. The second article comes from the Humane Myth site with some good info. I find stuff like this when I leaflet or table colleges (haven't done this for a while since starting a full time job after school a year and a half ago) or just to keep in my purse in case some kind of debate arises (very rare).

http://www.motherearthnews.com/homes....aspx?PageId=1
http://www.humanemyth.org/faq/1127.htm
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What really happens there? They don't get inpregnated, calves are not separated, right?

How comes the cows still give milk after their calves are grown up? Continuous milking?

What would a vegan say to a farmer?
"Grow crops, instead."
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Sigh.

Chestnutjam, questions are fine, but your sarcastic comments are not. Drop the attitude, and maybe you'll more answers. Keep it up, and you'll be violating the rules of this forum.

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Sigh.

Chestnutjam, questions are fine, but your sarcastic comments are not. Drop the attitude, and maybe you'll more answers. Keep it up, and you'll be violating the rules of this forum.

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Does a horny bull count?


What if they spin the lucky wheel of "can you mill it? will it blend?" instead?


I specifically said farmstead.

But thanks for the reply, keep it coming!
What does that mean?
What do you think "farmstead" means other than the implied advert nicety. Animals used for profit have pretty much no standards of care

This forum is for discussion of veg topics and not meant to replace easy internet searches--like dairy cruelty
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The only time when a calf is spared is when the mother is a beef cattle and the baby's a girl. Calves are separated for the mothers milk since a calf needs all of it
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Never heard of them.

Are they a US milk company?
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