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#1 Old 04-13-2016, 08:02 PM
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Rant: Idiot YouTube Vegans

As a fellow vegan, tolerate me for a few minutes.

The general public's lack of critical thinking, and lack of research ability, makes me want to scream my head off.

A good portion of the work that VeggieBoards does is to counter the unsubstantiated myths propagated by idiotic YouTube nutrition "experts", including certain charismatic vegans. I have no idea how to shut those people up.

Universe, please save me from the likes of Doug Graham, Freelee, David Wolfe, Henya Mania etc.

There are many examples of this, but I'll choose an attention-getting one.

In the 19th century, prominent vegetarian advocate Sylvester Graham preached against the "self pollution" of masturbation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Graham . People believed it, and bought devices to prevent their young sons from masturbating. It took the medical and professional psychology community years to counteract this myth.

Now, 21st-Century YouTube vegan idiots are again telling people that it's not healthy to masturbate (just search for "vegan no fap" and you'll see what I mean).

How do we get rid of the ignorance!? What's going on? Aren't the schools teaching critical-thinking skills?

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Specific recommendations for a healthy diet include: eating more fruit, vegetables, legumes, nuts and grains; cutting down on salt, sugar and fats. It is also advisable to choose unsaturated fats, instead of saturated fats and towards the elimination of trans-fatty acids."
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#2 Old 04-14-2016, 04:52 AM
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Agreed, a lot of people take the word of big YouTubers and Industries as gospel, no questions asked. That's the why I personally think highly critical channels like JuggernautFitnessTV and Vegan Gains (when he's behaving himself) can be a good thing for the community, not afraid to ask questions or to be openly skeptical of other large YouTube figures and advocating that kind of thinking.

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#3 Old 04-14-2016, 06:55 AM
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I had no idea anyone but religious zealots did this kind of thing anymore! I googled it though and sure enough...



I guess what I don't get (for the men) is what happens when they have wet dreams? If everything works normally for them, they eventually will, so do they count that as a black mark against their little "spiritual journey" of being sexually frustrated? If the body of homo sapiens wasn't designed to have sex or masturbate beyond reproductive purposes, we'd be like countless other animals who go into heat once a year, breed and no more urges until next breeding season.
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#4 Old 04-14-2016, 08:39 AM
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Masturbation is perfectly healthy, but what isn't healthy is abusing sexual stimulation. For anyone who believes that they could be bordering on porn addiction or that they depend too much on their bi/tri-nightly masturbation session no-fap seems like a very healthy and logical choice. That being said, I don't see how it could be linked to spirituality like I've seen in some videos, or even veganism, really. I hardly believe that everyone needs to participate in no-fap, and writing it off like it'll make you a better person seems rather ignorant.
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This is an old idea, not just from Graham, but from Kellogg and his vegetarian health retreats (as in Kelloggs cereal)...I think it's similar to Eastern ascetic monks believing masterbation is particularly draining for males (while some schools of thought believe it doesn't drain female life force in the same way). Catholics at one point also embraced this idea, that it lead to unhealthy desires, taking away from the male-female marriage and procreation ideal.

I agree with BlackBoxed it actually seems like a good idea for porn addiction, or similar issues.

Idk, to each their own. I honestly don't think they're hurting anyone, or hurting the vegan movement.
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#6 Old 04-15-2016, 03:18 AM
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I actually looked up the real NoFap website. Their motives are actually very good - the front page is about ending porn addiction, stop objectifying women and developing healthy real relationships. I can't see anything bad about that. Maybe some are taking it to an extreme, but there will always be extremists in any movement or belief system.

"NoFap® is a comprehensive community-based porn recovery website. We offer all the tools our users need to connect with a supportive community of individuals determined to quit porn use and free themselves from compulsive sexual behaviors. With our website, forums, articles and apps, NoFap helps our users overcome their sexual addictions so they can heal from porn-induced sexual dysfunctions, improve their relationships, and ultimately live their most fulfilling lives."

There's nothing weird or crazy about helping people with porn and sex addiction. There's a lot of dysfunctional porn use among Millenial men who had the Internet in some cases from puberty onward.

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I actually looked up the real NoFap website. Their motives are actually very good - the front page is about ending porn addiction, stop objectifying women and developing healthy real relationships. I can't see anything bad about that. Maybe some are taking it to an extreme, but there will always be extremists in any movement or belief system.

"NoFap® is a comprehensive community-based porn recovery website. We offer all the tools our users need to connect with a supportive community of individuals determined to quit porn use and free themselves from compulsive sexual behaviors. With our website, forums, articles and apps, NoFap helps our users overcome their sexual addictions so they can heal from porn-induced sexual dysfunctions, improve their relationships, and ultimately live their most fulfilling lives."

There's nothing weird or crazy about helping people with porn and sex addiction. There's a lot of dysfunctional porn use among Millenial men who had the Internet in some cases from puberty onward.



Agreed, but the name of the movement, "NoFap", is destructive; it implies that males should not masturbate, period. Also, the anti-masturbation movement within veganism doesn't just talk about porn-addition. This movement also claims that masturbation drains you and degrades your health - this is not true.

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Freelee and Durian Rider are controversial but they've sure as hell converted more people to veganism than any one else.

Their methods are blunt and in your face which is what some people respond to better than anything else.
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I agree masturbation is nothing to do is wrong and its natural thing, however there are addictions of sexual addictions out there that this company might be using their videos for. Even tho Porn is right for you, it will not be right for another person with addiction. An Addiction means you abuse and take advantage of things and behaviors overly and out of control . That is when a person needs help.
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you actually don't need porn to masturbate *shrug* It's also not just males that masturbate.

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I've worked around men who were against porn, the whole "million man" thing.
I just looked at a forum discussion to get a broader view and this post summed up everything I'd felt about the 'movement'--

"A Nice Guy:
Gives you something but expects something back in return
Will give you more attention than you deserve but gets mad if you don't act the same way
Hides a lack of self-worth under a disguise of giving to everyone
Would rather hide a failure than admit and learn from it
Is trapped between wanting his needs met and not willing to be upfront about those needs... so he manipulates to get his way
Is unwilling to start a conflict and instead will be passive aggressive to vent his anger
Is often known for "bottling up" his anger, and can often explode for what seems like almost no reason.
Hides an extremely flawed worldview of women under his pleasant demeanor"

I understand addicts feel a need to go as far to the other side as possible to run from the demons that haunt them, but that place of absolution is all to often filled with compulsions of another kind.

And has nothing to do with veganism
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#13 Old 05-06-2016, 07:13 PM
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Ah I think in general ppl nowadays either read or see something online and automatically believe it to be true. I've always been curious but also hesitant by nature so I usually have doubtful thoughts when I first hear about something.
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Thankfully we have Michael Greger (who himself seems to have foot-in-mouth syndrome every now and again), BiteSize, and RationalVegan (along with a few others) to balance out all of the Freelees and Vegangainses. I try to tune out the noise. If you don't give the idiots more views they'll eventually drive their audiences mad enough to leave. I know it gives the rest of us a bad rep, but we can't exactly control everyone in the community, just try to be good examples ourselves.

And, here on the board, we can reference well researched videos and sources and try to help dispel misinformation when the inaccurate videos are posted.

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