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#31 Old 03-02-2016, 05:12 PM
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Gary Johnson is running on the libertarian ticket
I was thinking this might be a good year for him, if Rand Paul would throw a little love his way. The Republicans are worried about downticket races (mainly the Senate) if Trunp gets the nomination. Promoting Johnson as the preferred 3rd party candidate would give Republicans a reason to show up at the polls. A protest vote at the top of the ticket does some good, sitting the day out or writing in someone who's not actually running doesn't.

Wait ... I don't play for that team. Never mind

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This election is bizarre. In the news feeds the GOP is trying to undermine Trump because he isn't conservative enough and the Democrats are demonizing Trump because he's Ultra conservative (racist, bigoted, sexist, etc..).

Last night I was watching C-SPAN and democrats were calling in saying if Bernie lost to Hillary they were voting for Trump and republicans said if Rubio or Cruz didn't win they were voting for Hillary.

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I am just flabbergasted at this utter mess. Unbelievable.
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I am just flabbergasted at this utter mess. Unbelievable.
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I'm also trying to picture Bill Clinton back in the white house again as "the first gentleman" if Hillary should win lol. She'll have to lock him out of the oval office. It is all so bizarre.

I am sick every time I even think about Trump as a world leader. Just sick....
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Anyone else just wish Obama could serve another term?
I think that should be an option.
Where are the third party candidates? Don't we usually hear something about them by now? Or has the circus been too entertaining?
No absolutely not. Obama supports TPP I'm very disappointed in him.
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I'm also trying to picture Bill Clinton back in the white house again as "the first gentleman" if Hillary should win lol. She'll have to lock him out of the oval office. It is all so bizarre.

I am sick every time I even think about Trump as a world leader. Just sick....
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He is so so scary. I'm supporting Bernie but if Hillary is the nominee I will vote for her just to keep Trump and the republicans out. If Trump wins I am legitimately thinking of moving to Canada or the UK.
I'm also a Bernie supporter, and do note that some Republicans support Bernie as a better alternative to either Trump or Clinton, so Bernie may actually win. I honestly don't think Clintons success in the deep South means as much as some people think it does, because those states tend to turn Red in general elections, and voters in that region have a very different mentality (I'm not being judgmental, I'm originally from the South and my family was for generations, it's the freaking Twilight Zone compared to major metropolitan areas, and seems almost like it's own country).

If Trump is the Republican against Hillary and Bernie completely withdraws, is the only circumstance under which I'd vote for Her Majesty. Otherwise I'm still voting for Bernie, or Jill Stein - the Green Party candidate.
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I'm also a Bernie supporter, and do note that some Republicans support Bernie as a better alternative to either Trump or Clinton, so Bernie may actually win. I honestly don't think Clintons success in the deep South means as much as some people think it does, because those states tend to turn Red in general elections, and voters in that region have a very different mentality (I'm not being judgmental, I'm originally from the South and my family was for generations, it's the freaking Twilight Zone compared to major metropolitan areas, and seems almost like it's own country).

If Trump is the Republican against Hillary and Bernie completely withdraws, is the only circumstance under which I'd vote for Her Majesty. Otherwise I'm still voting for Bernie, or Jill Stein - the Green Party candidate.
How about my cat, Basil? Think he'd be a good president?
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How about my cat, Basil? Think he'd be a good president?
I'm all for President Basil....you know there's a mayor of some town in Alaska or Canada that's a cat.
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President Basil sure seems like a nice idea

However, imagining the other guy at the trigger of the most powerful army in the world and its nuclear arsenal, well... I'm just glad I have got a few thousand miles of ocean between him and me.
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Basil for President! Hope and Catnip!
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When it's 3 AM and there's a red dot jittering on the wall, who do YOU want to take that call?
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I'm also a Bernie supporter, and do note that some Republicans support Bernie as a better alternative to either Trump or Clinton, so Bernie may actually win. I honestly don't think Clintons success in the deep South means as much as some people think it does, because those states tend to turn Red in general elections, and voters in that region have a very different mentality (I'm not being judgmental, I'm originally from the South and my family was for generations, it's the freaking Twilight Zone compared to major metropolitan areas, and seems almost like it's own country).

If Trump is the Republican against Hillary and Bernie completely withdraws, is the only circumstance under which I'd vote for Her Majesty. Otherwise I'm still voting for Bernie, or Jill Stein - the Green Party candidate.
I really hope he wins, I want to vote for him but my primary is in late April and I'm scared he will pull out before then and I really hope not I will vote for Hillary in the general if she wins the nom. because I do not like republicans at all, if one gets in, it is likely Republicans will also control congress and they may have two picks for supreme court. That would be a nightmare. I think Bernie has the best chance at beating Trump, people are super excited for Bernie and his message resonates with so many people.
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My presidential candidate needs four things from me before I will support him/her. 1. Must be smart. 2. Must get things done. 3. Must have the mentality of a mature adult, not a whiny, bullying 8-year-old, and 4. Must not give me the heebie~jeebies. So far, my cat is winning all in all those categories.
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I'm scared. Really scared. Not only did I listen to Sunday news shows, I went online to news.
What's more disturbing than comments on vegans? Comments from Trump supporters! The racism, the violence, the hubris, the supremicy--it's all very, very real, and I'm afraid it'd not going to go away after the election regardless of who wins.
I've always tried to listen to right wing talk radio to try and understand those people. I'm referring to the reasonable one's - not the crazies who support Trump. Now, those republicans are even willing to back him just out of spite, and/or fear of a more liberal nation.
So very wrong, so very narrow minded and narcissistic!
To make it worse, the other candidates still pledge to vote for him if he's the candidate. Like the enemy of your enemy must be their friend.
Will Canada take me? Should I go now before they build a wall?
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I'm scared. Really scared. Not only did I listen to Sunday news shows, I went online to news.
What's more disturbing than comments on vegans? Comments from Trump supporters! The racism, the violence, the hubris, the supremicy--it's all very, very real, and I'm afraid it'd not going to go away after the election regardless of who wins.
I've always tried to listen to right wing talk radio to try and understand those people. I'm referring to the reasonable one's - not the crazies who support Trump. Now, those republicans are even willing to back him just out of spite, and/or fear of a more liberal nation.
So very wrong, so very narrow minded and narcissistic!
To make it worse, the other candidates still pledge to vote for him if he's the candidate. Like the enemy of your enemy must be their friend.
Will Canada take me? Should I go now before they build a wall?
If it makes you feel better, I'm scared, too. I've got nieces and nephews under voting age, and a grand niece also under voting age. I try to be understanding of people who...uh, for lack of a better phrase, don't think like I do. I try to keep an open mind, but, when your world is as small as I am, people who do things like this frighten me badly.

EDIT to Add: I'm afraid moving to Canada won't solve the problem. We (the United States) have our election on Tuesday, 8 November 2016. Thanksgiving comes shortly after that, then Christmas and New Year's. I'm afraid in mid-late January or February, (T)Rump will get bored and decide to annihilate Canada or something like that. I wouldn't put it past him.

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Fears of Trump being elected are somewhat exaggerated in my opinion.

Let's suppose he gets elected and the house and the senate remain under GOP control. I think everyone opposed to Trump would agree this would be the worst case scenario.

What sort of relationship would Trump have with a Republican congress?
Look at the GOP establishment right now with Obama and you have your answer.
Trump has virtually no allies in the house or senate in positions of power where Obama at least had a brief majority in the senate to work with and a fairly loyal minority for 6 years or so. Trump has no meaningful support in either party.

This doesn't mean he is totally powerless, but it hardly accounts for the doom and gloom predictions floating around the internet. Most of what you're reading is hyperbolic propaganda designed to gin up voter support for opposition candidates.

A Trump administration will have a most difficult time maneuvering through the Washington establishment in search of consensus on even the most mundane legislation -more so when it comes to manipulating the executive levers of power within the confines of the constitution.

I realize Americans are quick to assume the executive is imbued with great power, and they are right, to a point. The POTUS's power is regularly checked by the other two branches and I suspect this will be doubly so with a Trump administration.

Again, in my opinion, the problem is not Trump, but the idea that enough Americans feel so disaffected that they would be willing to elect Trump -with enthusiasm. That is worrisome.

What does it say about the current order within both parties that so many Americans see themselves abandoned and unrepresented. Insulting them only increases their number and reinforces their belief.
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It isn't Rump that scares me it's his followers.
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Again, in my opinion, the problem is not Trump, but the idea that enough Americans feel so disaffected that they would be willing to elect Trump -with enthusiasm. That is worrisome.
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my primary is in late April and I'm scared he will pull out before then
I'd be really surprised if he did. His path to the nomination looks tougher than Hillary's, but as long as he stays in the race he's a credible threat. And he's winning the messaging primary. Hillary is emphasizing areas she has in common with Bernie much more than Bernie is adopting Hillary's narratives.

I agree with voting blue, no matter who, at least with these candidates.

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A Trump administration will have a most difficult time maneuvering through the Washington establishment in search of consensus on even the most mundane legislation -more so when it comes to manipulating the executive levers of power within the confines of the constitution.
Very solid observation. It also applies to some extent to Ted Cruz. We shouldn't underestimate the amount of damage they could do, but their power wouldn't be absolute.
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I just came across this post and it is very interesting. I thought I was fairly educated on our democratic system and have recently learned so much that I did not know. People like to think their vote counts and sometimes it does not. Our delegate system is really whacky. I guess in some states your vote can count and in others it does not. I was sort of interested to see if the republicans would have a contested election. So crazy that the front runner could have lost and someone else could have been nominated. It seems the nomination is all about the party and not the voter. I think the general is a little different.
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