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#1 Old 07-30-2004, 01:36 PM
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"A number of high street retailers have taken the violent computer game Manhunt off their shelves.



"The move comes after the parents of a schoolboy murdered by a friend blamed the game for their son's death.



"Warren Leblanc, 17, of Braunstone Frith, Leicester, on Wednesday pleaded guilty to the murder of 14-year-old Stefan Pakeerah in February 2004."



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Ugh. I hate games like that.



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He said: "It's a video instruction on how to murder somebody, it just shows how you kill people and what weapons you use.

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I cannot deny that I find violent video games disturbing. I also believe that there is some credance to the claim that witnessing violence on TV/in movies, and engaging in virtual violence through video games, can and does have an effect on peoples' minds and behavior. But I feel uneasy about the blame being laid directly at the feet of video games. Granted, this game sounds like it has no redeeming social value, but can it really be seen as responsible for leading the young man into murder? Is it not more likely that this young man was already very disturbed?
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Also - though the article does not pick up on this, I wonder if in this case, there may have been a racial motivation.



But I agree with you, rincaro -- I hate games like this too.



I also noted that the stores voluntarily removed the game from the market. This is a good thing, in my eyes.
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I don't think video game blaming really helps matters either. Although it's probably no big loss to the american consumer that this peice of garbage is no longer available. I think in most situations where violence happens with young people, usually it has to do with gross neglect on the parts of parents and educators. Or having known for a long while that someone needed help and was disturbed but nobody helped them get it.



I mean...what parent in their right mind has their kids playing video games where they shoot people? Call me crazy, but that just doesn't seem like smart parenting to me.
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Ok i have to say something about this. I am 22 years old and enjoy playing all games.

Blaming a game for a murder is ridiculous. A game is no more at fault then the parents of a kid that commits a crime. I have palyed the game and it does not give "video instruction on how to murder somebody." I have played baseball games but it doesnt give me video instruction on how to hit a homerun against a majorleague pitcher.



They are looking for somewhere to place the blame and so they jump on this videogame. BULL SH*T
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I mean...what parent in their right mind has their kids playing video games where they shoot people? Call me crazy, but that just doesn't seem like smart parenting to me.



My parents let me play video games such as Doom and Wolfinstein as a child and I am an educated, mature, and responsable human.
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I don't think video game blaming really helps matters either. Although it's probably no big loss to the american consumer that this peice of garbage is no longer available. I think in most situations where violence happens with young people, usually it has to do with gross neglect on the parts of parents and educators. Or having known for a long while that someone needed help and was disturbed but nobody helped them get it.



I mean...what parent in their right mind has their kids playing video games where they shoot people? Call me crazy, but that just doesn't seem like smart parenting to me.



It would be the UK consumer in this case, but I agree.
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I'm 17, own, (well, pirated ) Manhunt, and haven't murdered anyone yet. Of course, I did kill my cat with a crowbar when I first played Half-Life. Maybe the games ARE to blame.
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Although it's probably no big loss to the american consumer that this peice of garbage is no longer available.



But what do you know about the game. Have you played it?





I jsut find it absurd they are blaming a game because a 17 year old murder someone.
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That's right, blame the game (or the show, or the song, or the drug). God forbid we should expect people to be responsible for their own actions.







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I don't think we should blame the game necessarily. But I also think that we as parents shouldn't 1. buy our kids this crap and 2. be quiet about it being out there.
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What is so wrong with there being a game on the market? There have been FPS(first person shooter) games on the market since the start of video games and all of a sudden this one causes some kid to go off and beat a kid to death? I jsut cant believe this is even a question.
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I don't think we should make games like it. Period. I'm not coming out against this game in particular. I hate all of these murder games.
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My parents never had a problem with me playing videogames, even violent ones. In their opinion, they'd rather have me using my brain for problem solving, strategic thinking, reading, etc. than just being a vegetable watching crappy TV shows. As far as the violence issue, they knew I could tell the difference between make believe and reality, and that I would never hurt someone in real life. It's just like boys playing cowboys and indians or cops and robbers 50 years ago, there's a difference between play violence and reality. Most kids know the difference. If they don't, then there are more serious problems than what videogames they play.
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There is a difference between running around playing cops & robbers with plastic guns and playing a game which explicitly shows your opponent's brains splattering against the wall.
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I don't love ALL murder games. Some of them rely on blood and guts to sell, but the game itself is garbage. Some of them are VERY well made though and a lot of fun. Manhunt isn't that great, but I enjoyed it for a few weeks.
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Ok i have to say something about this. I am 22 years old and enjoy playing all games.

Blaming a game for a murder is ridiculous. A game is no more at fault then the parents of a kid that commits a crime. I have palyed the game and it does not give "video instruction on how to murder somebody." I have played baseball games but it doesnt give me video instruction on how to hit a homerun against a majorleague pitcher.



They are looking for somewhere to place the blame and so they jump on this videogame. BULL SH*T





I agree with MikeyVT.
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There is a difference between running around playing cops & robbers with plastic guns and playing a game which explicitly shows your opponent's brains splattering against the wall.



You could argue that cops and robbers is worse. In that, the children are actually holding fake guns, almost as if they're being trained to hold a real weapon. Some kids get bee-bee guns, which are practically real weapons, some can kill small animals or seriously hurt other kids. A videogame involved a couple kids holding plastic controllers, resembling nothing close to guns. Which is worse, the picture, or the action? In my opinion, neither of them matter, it's just good fun.
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There is a difference between running around playing cops & robbers with plastic guns and playing a game which explicitly shows your opponent's brains splattering against the wall.



Yet noone blames movies which display things in a much more realistic/graphic way.





(Heading out for the weekend ill see how this thread is on Monday)
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Yet noone blames movies which display things in a much more realistic/graphic way.





(Heading out for the weekend ill see how this thread is on Monday)



Not true, a lot of people blame movies, just like they blame heavy metal or rap music, or television, or comic books, or whatever. People want an easy way out.
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I'm not looking for an easy way out. I know what will determine the majority of how my sons grow up. It will be how me and their stepdad raise them. Plain and simple.
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There comes a time where we all have to take personal responsibility for our actions, and providing that we are mentally stable, then reading horror books, watching gory movies, playing violent video games, or listening to..cannibal corpse SHOULD NOT affect the way we act. Because we are aware of what is acceptable, and what is not.

If someone inflicts harm on someone else then either they are totally responsible and would not have been affected by such things, OR, they are obviously lacking in the most basic social skills and are probably suffering from an illness.
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I'm not looking for an easy way out. I know what will determine the majority of how my sons grow up. It will be how me and their stepdad raise them. Plain and simple.



I'm curious, although I don't feel that violent games in any way promote violent behavior, I can understand why you wouldn't want your kids to see it, just like most parents don't want their kids to hear swearing or watch pornography or whatever. I don't know how old your kids are, but I'm curious, are you just more concerned about them being impressionable at the age they are at? Would you be willing to let them play them at maybe the age of 13 or 14?
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I have nothing against gore in games (Al gore excluded...god i suck) and i think that censorship is the dangerous weapon here...hehe, i almost sounded serious in my head!!!

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They are almost 5 & almost 6. And we keep a tight rein on what they watch, hear, etc. Partly because it will scare them. I can't say what I will let them do at 13 & 14. But it saddens me that crap like that is out there. There's worse things I know.
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They are almost 5 & almost 6. And we keep a tight rein on what they watch, hear, etc. Partly because it will scare them. I can't say what I will let them do at 13 & 14. But it saddens me that crap like that is out there. There's worse things I know.



The only thing I was thinking, is that when these kids start going to school, there are obviously going to be lots of other kids who do play these games, and the more tightly you restrict them, they more they're going to want to play them. I'm no child psycologist, but I did go to a private school, and know what happens to those overly sheltered kids.
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I don't think they're overly sheltered. But they have been taught what I think is a different mindset. Why we don't eat animals. Why we don't watch mean movies. They don't watch much TV but if a show comes on that's for "grownups" and I'm not in the room when their program ends, they'll retrieve me or turn it off themselves.
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Well, that's cool, but to be realistic, it may not last once they get to school.
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