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#1 Old 07-29-2004, 06:02 PM
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I was recently surprised to learn that the majority of Americans support the death penalty.



We don't have the death penalty here in Australia, and most of us seem very happy about that.



Guilt is very rarely incontrovertable and absolute. Check out this site



http://www.innocenceproject.org



or this link for just one case where a man was nearly sent to death for a crime he was later completely exonerated of



http://www.innocenceproject.org/cas...file.php?id=139



Regardless of the amount of processes that go into ensuring innocent people are not executed, there have been cases where this has happened.



Plus I really don't agree with the whole concept of the state being able to kill people.
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#2 Old 07-29-2004, 06:06 PM
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Absolutely not.
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I sure don't.
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#4 Old 07-29-2004, 06:13 PM
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Well, for war criminals maybe. I'd like to see Ariel Sharon tried for warcrimes and if the end result was him being put to death, I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.
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I was recently surprised to learn that the majority of Americans support the death penalty.

That surprises you?



I don't support the death penalty under any reasons what-so-ever.



http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-index-eng
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im not sure...im some cases it is better.. in some cases it is completely uncalled for..... in some cases the person is at such a point in their life where they want to die... in some cases they are innocent and put to death unjustfully... it all depends on the case. in the case of (i cant spell her name) aileen wournos... in an interview she stated "i want to die.. i know that if im alive ill kill again... im not sad about it. im looking forward to it. things will be better in heaven" it all depends on the case.
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As with any topic, I like to turn to a very special, very important book to find the answers to questions so big a scope and so important to life as this.



Lord of the Rings says, "Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them?"
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Definite no here.



One good thing about MI = no capital punishment (except when they sneak in those Federal trials).

The ones I pity are the ones who never stick out their neck for something they believe, never know the taste of moral struggle, and never have the thrill of victory. - Jonathan Kozol
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Yeah, there isn't one in Vermont either.
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I was reading about public opinion of sentences for my thesis and about 70% of Americans favour the death penalty (the number varies slightly depending on the study). That doesn't surprise me. What shocked me is that 8% of Americans are in favour of the death penalty for shop lifting offenses. I don't have the reference on hand as the book is at school but I can get it for you if you don't believe me.
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I don't see how anyone using anything but the most simplistic moral reasoning could ever be in favor of the death penalty.
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I don't see how anyone using anything but the most simplistic moral reasoning could ever be in favor of the death penalty.





<<<Sees all moral reasoning as simplistic.
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I don't see how anyone using anything but the most simplistic moral reasoning could ever be in favor of the death penalty.



I am with you 100%!
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But you just said you would support it when it suited your objectives?
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I support it in principle, but not in practice.
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But you just said you would support it when it suited your objectives?



I said maybe.
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I said maybe.



Even a maybe makes your agreement with eggplant's statement sound a little odd.
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Okay, fair enough. I am with her 99.9 percent.
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My friend was butchered, chocked into pieces, and then dumped into a river.



I do not support capital punishment. I would lobby to keep her murderer from being killed. I would spit on him, but I would still support him to live. Her mother, a person whose child was taken from her, does not support captial punishment. As she put it, she endured the worst pain ever by losing a child. How could she sleep at night knowing she wanted to do that to another family.



(I am in Canada, so no worries anyways. Besides, they haven't proven who the killer is...but we all know who it is).
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I am not comfortable with the death penalty and I question man's moral position to take the life of another except in defense of life. I do, however, believe that there are some instances where the death penalty is a necessary evil not only as punishment for a prior act, but to prevent future loss of life at the hand of the perpetrator.
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That doesn't surprise me. What shocked me is that 8% of Americans are in favour of the death penalty for shop lifting offenses.



Man, there sure are some scary folks out there . . .
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That surprises you?



I don't support the death penalty under any reasons what-so-ever.



http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-index-eng



Yeah it REALLY surprised me. Just because I live in a place where the majority don't support it, and because I seem so culturally close to Americans - I am guilty of assuming America is culturally the same as Australia at times.
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Not surprising. Would you expect a nation that started as a penal colony to support the DP?



(And yes, that is a joke. No offense meant.)
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Serious answer:

Australia and the US have a lot in common, but from what I can see, it seems Australia is more culturally connected to Europe in a lot of ways.
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I believe that has something to do with it being a part of the commonwealth. Canada also has a lot in common with Europe.
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#26 Old 07-29-2004, 09:49 PM
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Not surprising. Would you expect a nation that started as a penal colony to support the DP?



(And yes, that is a joke. No offense meant.)





Yeah... we be a bunch of bad assed mothers' round here!



BTW: I did take it as a joke. I ain't as touchy as that.
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BTW: I did take it as a joke. I ain't as touchy as that.





I wasn't worried about you. There are others who like to dig up things I say 6 months to a year later to start an argument about them.
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absolutely not.
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#29 Old 07-30-2004, 01:51 AM
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Yay, Tame. Heh-heh. Look at you!
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#30 Old 07-30-2004, 04:21 AM
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I believe in some cases it is warranted, but should not be used arbitrarily.
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