Veggie Regular

Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: West Sussex, UK
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OK, now you are getting way out there. Humans eating humans is cannibalism. To say we use other animal species is common in the animal kingdom, and that includes us. Lions eat gazelles. They don't eat other lions? Are they wrong? Porpoises eat fish. Are they wrong? Humans eat meat? Is it wrong? It's not something I would do, but it's just as wrong to judge other by your standards, which even you have to admit, is pretty extreme.
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I'm sorry I have to jump in here. When a woman has a period she is expelling waste. A human reproductive cycle takes place inside the body from start to finish. A live human emerges at the end. A chicken does not. A chicken expels an egg to then be further nurtured into a live critter. To compare the waste from a uterus to the egg of a chicken really shows a lack of complete common sense and any rational thought process.
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The chicken eggs sold for human consumption are unfertilized. They will not develop into "critters." They are waste products.
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An egg is a good source of nutrition and is good for cooking other things. It does not kill a chicken to lay an egg, (or any other bird for that matter. My cockatiel used to lay eggs) A human egg is not the same as a chicken egg. It is not enclosed in a hard shell. It is not fresh. and, it is a human. Most humans do not take part in cannibalism.
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I see you fail to see you comparison is flawed. I will not educate you one subject. What I will do is offer you this. You see both human and chicken eggs as waste if not fertilized. In fact they are both food sources. Food for other living things. A chicken egg left alone will be eaten by another animal or insect. Same goes for human "waste" as you call it if you let it run down your leg. An animal will eat it if they can get to it.
Humans are predator animals that hunt prey in order to survive. You choose what to eat as a human. But you are still an animal first. As humans we are at the top of the food chain, we can eat whatever we want....thank god for that as I love a good salad!. Predator animals hunt prey to eat......we have a brain and can choose what we hunt for. Meat is not always on the list. Harvesting animals is no different than harvesting plants. (I'm not even going into cruelty to animals or plants!) Plants "feel" or "react" to other plants being harmed. After all they are living things too!. [B]Killing a chicken humanely is no different than cutting off a head of lettuce.[/] As a former member of the Amish community I am glad to be at the top of the food chain, otherwise I would be dead. I have skills and a brain to make my life meat free unlike other animals. So, whether it's your egg or a chicken egg some animal is going to eat it if they want to. As an animal I would eat anything to nourish my body. As a human animal I have a choice! Anyone who chooses to eat other animal parts is only doing what animals do. You can't change who you are---only what you do. |
Yes, it is different. The chicken is sentient. You have taken a life. Animals are not harvested, they are slaughtered.
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I take offense to your statement. I have never slaughtered any animal. I have harvested many. There is a difference. Until you come to grips that you are a human, a predator by nature, you are in denial. I choose to eat a meat free diet. I do not choose a meat free diet because of any animal issue. This is not a PETA website is it? Is it not about eating what we want, to be as healthy as we can be? I have never abused any animal and never will. That is wrong and criminal. I have taken game, harvested farm animals, and raised animals for the bounty they produce. I do not equate harvesting animals as murder or even killing. Taking a life is not easy. There has to be a reason for it first. If you are lower on the food chain you may end up as food...it's that simple. Taking a life, a human life would be the hardest to do. Nobody would want to do that. But, if someone or some thing threatened me or my families life I am prepared to exercise my 2nd Amendment right and stop that threat....even if death is what it takes to stop that threat. It is my choice to not eat meat.......It will be my choice to defend myself if needed........how does the treatment of animals come into any of this? You speak of chickens as being aware beings.....all living things need respect. The plants we eat deserve as much respect as the animals most people eat. |
This is not a PETA website, but a lot of people on here are animal rights activists, or people who are Veg*n because of "animal issues."
Plants deserve respect, but they are not sentient. They don't feel pain or experience suffering as far as science can tell, and we need to eat something. I have a choice so I choose plants, based on science. Killing a animal for food that has been raised for that purpose is called slaughtering. That's just what it's called. Some people call it harvesting because they want to make it seem like it's no different than killing a plant. This is apparently how you see it so I am an utter, complete and overwhelmingly strong disagreement with you. Humans aren't predatory by nature. We are opportunist omnivores smart enough to adapt to most environments on earth over two and a half million years. Now we are in a situation where we can see that it's not necessary to kill an animal before it's time for food or clothing. This simple fact renders the act of killing an animal for food or clothing an absolute injustice. You obviously disagree with this, and I'm sure you'll give us another eloquent fantasy about how happy animals are "harvested," and god and nature and flowers and butterflies and rainbows. However, I won't be reading it. I won't be reading any of your nonsense anymore. I respect you as a fellow human being, and I'm glad you don't eat meat anymore, but I don't respect your opinions about our feathered and furred brothers and sisters. It's for this reason that I am done with you. |
Humans aren't predatory by nature. We are opportunist omnivores smart enough to adapt to most environments on earth over two and a half million years. Now we are in a situation where we can see that it's not necessary to kill an animal before it's time for food or clothing. This simple fact renders the act of killing an animal for food or clothing an absolute injustice.
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The earth has enough resources for everyones need but not their greed.
OK, now you are getting way out there. Humans eating humans is cannibalism. To say we use other animal species is common in the animal kingdom, and that includes us. Lions eat gazelles. They don't eat other lions? Are they wrong? Porpoises eat fish. Are they wrong? Humans eat meat? Is it wrong? It's not something I would do, but it's just as wrong to judge other by your standards, which even you have to admit, is pretty extreme.
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The earth has enough resources for everyones need but not their greed.
Laying chickens, by the way, have been genetically modified. Ironically, that's precisely why they lay so many eggs so frequently. I'm not sure what corn has to do with anything, but for the record, I've not been arguing for or against genetic modification in this thread. I am simply pointing out the logical inconsistency in asserting that a chicken's unfertilized egg has some inherent quality which makes it "food" while a human's doesn't.
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The earth has enough resources for everyones need but not their greed.
I take offense to your statement. I have never slaughtered any animal. I have harvested many. There is a difference.
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Until you come to grips that you are a human, a predator by nature, you are in denial.
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I do not choose a meat free diet because of any animal issue. This is not a PETA website is it? Is it not about eating what we want, to be as healthy as we can be?
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But, if someone or some thing threatened me or my families life I am prepared to exercise my 2nd Amendment right and stop that threat....even if death is what it takes to stop that threat.
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It is my choice to not eat meat.......It will be my choice to defend myself if needed........how does the treatment of animals come into any of this?
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You speak of chickens as being aware beings.....all living things need respect. The plants we eat deserve as much respect as the animals most people eat.
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I take offense to your statement. I have never slaughtered any animal. I have harvested many. There is a difference. Until you come to grips that you are a human, a predator by nature, you are in denial. I choose to eat a meat free diet. I do not choose a meat free diet because of any animal issue. This is not a PETA website is it? Is it not about eating what we want, to be as healthy as we can be?
I have never abused any animal and never will. That is wrong and criminal. I have taken game, harvested farm animals, and raised animals for the bounty they produce. I do not equate harvesting animals as murder or even killing. Taking a life is not easy. There has to be a reason for it first. If you are lower on the food chain you may end up as food...it's that simple. Taking a life, a human life would be the hardest to do. Nobody would want to do that. But, if someone or some thing threatened me or my families life I am prepared to exercise my 2nd Amendment right and stop that threat....even if death is what it takes to stop that threat. It is my choice to not eat meat.......It will be my choice to defend myself if needed........how does the treatment of animals come into any of this? You speak of chickens as being aware beings.....all living things need respect. The plants we eat deserve as much respect as the animals most people eat. |
The earth has enough resources for everyones need but not their greed.
That's my main reason. There's others. By definition, honey isn't vegan because it is aquired through the exploitation of animals.
Drones are often killed because they are not useful to honey production. Queens may also be killed or have their wings removed to prevent swarming. Honey isn't actually a by-product of bees; they produce it to survive on during the winter months . Farmed bees can crowd out the native, natural pollinators. Honey is nectar that has been swallowed, regurgitated, and mixed with saliva- many times. |
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