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Originally Posted by Genesis 1:28-31
"28 God blessed them, and God said to them [the male and female humans], “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.” 29 God said, “See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."
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Originally Posted by Genesis 2:18-20
18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.” 19 So out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but for the man there was not found a helper as his partner.
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Originally Posted by Genesis 8:21
21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing odor, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.
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Originally Posted by Genesis 9:1-5
God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you shall rest on every animal of the earth, and on every bird of the air, on everything that creeps on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea; into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and just as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. 4 Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. 5 For your own lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning: from every animal I will require it and from human beings, each one for the blood of another, I will require a reckoning for human life.
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Originally Posted by Romans 14:1-4
Welcome those who are weak in faith, but not for the purpose of quarreling over opinions. 2 Some believe in eating anything, while the weak eat only vegetables. 3 Those who eat must not despise those who abstain, and those who abstain must not pass judgment on those who eat; for God has welcomed them. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on servants of another? It is before their own lord that they stand or fall. And they will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
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Originally Posted by 1 Corinthians 8:1-13
Now concerning food sacrificed to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2 Anyone who claims to know something does not yet have the necessary knowledge; 3 but anyone who loves God is known by him.
4 Hence, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “no idol in the world really exists,” and that “there is no God but one.” 5 Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. 7 It is not everyone, however, who has this knowledge. Since some have become so accustomed to idols until now, they still think of the food they eat as food offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 “Food will not bring us close to God.” We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do. 9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if others see you, who possess knowledge, eating in the temple of an idol, might they not, since their conscience is weak, be encouraged to the point of eating food sacrificed to idols? 11 So by your knowledge those weak believers for whom Christ died are destroyed. 12 But when you thus sin against members of your family, and wound their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food is a cause of their falling, I will never eat meat, so that I may not cause one of them to fall. |
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Just to clarify: anatomically modern humans originated in Eastern Africa about 200,000 years ago, mitochondrial DNA evidence confirms this...These anatomically modern humans migrated out of Africa and colonised the rest of the world...The early anatomically modern humans would probably have been "gatherers" before progressing to being "hunters"...Eventually farming practices developed, but these were much more recent ~ 12,000 years ago or so...
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Your 200,000-years date is controversial and minority. Maybe homo sapiens goes back that far, maybe not, but I'm sure I read that Homo erectus, an ancestor of our anatomically modern people, gathered and hunted. But that's all beside the point. I was writing about how fables and legends can have their roots as oral history until the capacity develops for writing them down, the order of events less significant than the messages they hold.
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I'm not Christian myself, but I know a family of Seventh Day Adventists who are vegetarian based on the idea that it was God's chosen diet originally.
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The bible often contradicts itself...It was written so long ago that any comments it makes on ethical issues need to be critically appraised in the context of 21st century thought/ morality...It seems fairly clear that people were only supposed to eat fruits until the concept of sin arose...So technically Christians should be eating fruits alone...
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Just to clarify: anatomically modern humans originated in Eastern Africa about 200,000 years ago, mitochondrial DNA evidence confirms this...These anatomically modern humans migrated out of Africa and colonised the rest of the world...The early anatomically modern humans would probably have been "gatherers" before progressing to being "hunters"...Eventually farming practices developed, but these were much more recent ~ 12,000 years ago or so...
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Ancestors (homo Erectus) of anatomically modern humans also hunted, also gathered. Ancestors of anatomically modern humans left Africa and began colonizing the world. That's why you find Neanderthal remains in Europe and Denisovan remains in Asia, among others who preceded Homo Sapiens. All these near-human cousins share our Homo erectus common ancestor. By the time Homo sapiens is on the scene, hunting is already in practice.
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I didn't say he was. I said Homo erectus is the common ancestor we share with Neanderthal and Denisovan, among others. It was Homo erectus who first left Africa, and you wont find Neanderthals in Africa. You find their fossils in Europe. Another descendant of Homo erectus is Denisovan, whose fossils you find in Asia. As I wrote, Denisovan and Homo erectus are our cousins.
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(Again this is my uneducated opinion) I think that Genesis was intended to be etiological fables- explaining why life is hard, why snakes don't have legs, why childbirth is so much harder for woman than other animals, why woman love the ones who subjugate them, etc. But I think it's cool that this story seems to agree with reality about why childbirth is so difficult in humans; the large brains, which allow for 'a knowledge of good and evil,' along with bipedalism means larger head through a narrower birth canal = more pain. Maybe I shouldn't be so impressed but didn't a lot of cultures believe that thinking and/or morality came from organs (or even non-physical) other than the brain?
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(Again this is my uneducated opinion) I think that Genesis was intended to be etiological fables- explaining why life is hard, why snakes don't have legs, why childbirth is so much harder for woman than other animals, why woman love the ones who subjugate them, etc. But I think it's cool that this story seems to agree with reality about why childbirth is so difficult in humans; the large brains, which allow for 'a knowledge of good and evil,' along with bipedalism means larger head through a narrower birth canal = more pain. Maybe I shouldn't be so impressed but didn't a lot of cultures believe that thinking and/or morality came from organs (or even non-physical) other than the brain?
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I never read a translation where "hunter" was used, interesting. I didn't go reread the Cain and Able story when I was preparing this thread but I did wonder what he was up to with those sheep.
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The earth has enough resources for everyones need but not their greed.
Lets face it technically Christianity is a Roman-Pagan religion with primary roots in the European nations which spread to the whole earth afterwards.
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I can't understand this perspective and since it has come up in a few recent threads I figured it deserved its own topic. Overall I'm not saying that people who believe in a Bible should feel guilty about being allowed to eat animals; I just don't understand the flippant attitude some have, since it came with such a huge cost.
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how many times have we all heard the " I'm uncomfortable with animal farming but I couldn't live without my meat" ? I've heard it a lot! the same people continue to eat meat and be selective about their ethical behavior.
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I never write anything related to religion without expecting sceptical/hostile responses. While I'm no expert in the matter most of the terms I say can be verified using history. The 1st and 2nd centuries were an interesting time for religion, or should I say unification of religions. The 3rd week of December was a Roman-Pagan festival called Saturnalia, loosely related to Hanukkah but never on the same days, later it was decided that December 25th would be the official day of Saturnalia (beginning from midnight), it was also called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the everlasting Sun), this accompanied the fact that Dec 25th was winter solstice and people celebrated the beginning of a new crop season. Easter/Eastre was a word used in Germany to denote the change of season from summer, typically in the month of April. Eggs were supposedly symbolic of a new beginning in those days and was used to symbolize Easter, this resembles the Jewish festival Passover but not completely. The cross has long been a pagan symbol in Egypt, Rome & Greece, some explanations point to a constellation of a similar shape, some feel its a symbol of God. Saint Nicholaus or Santa Claus also had its origins from Europe (he was a German-origin saint from European border of Turkey). Germans celebrated his acts of kindness as an example of why charity should be done.
I'm not writing any of this to offend you or any religion, just pointing out a few influences of Christianity which are proven to be older traditions followed in the B.C era. Most other modern-day Christmas traditions came from various European countries which symbolized their unique faith. |
I never write anything related to religion without expecting sceptical/hostile responses. While I'm no expert in the matter most of the terms I say can be verified using history. The 1st and 2nd centuries were an interesting time for religion, or should I say unification of religions. The 3rd week of December was a Roman-Pagan festival called Saturnalia, loosely related to Hanukkah but never on the same days, later it was decided that December 25th would be the official day of Saturnalia (beginning from midnight), it was also called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the everlasting Sun), this accompanied the fact that Dec 25th was winter solstice and people celebrated the beginning of a new crop season. Easter/Eastre was a word used in Germany to denote the change of season from summer, typically in the month of April. Eggs were supposedly symbolic of a new beginning in those days and was used to symbolize Easter, this resembles the Jewish festival Passover but not completely. The cross has long been a pagan symbol in Egypt, Rome & Greece, some explanations point to a constellation of a similar shape, some feel its a symbol of God. Saint Nicholaus or Santa Claus also had its origins from Europe (he was a German-origin saint from European border of Turkey). Germans celebrated his acts of kindness as an example of why charity should be done.
I'm not writing any of this to offend you or any religion, just pointing out a few influences of Christianity which are proven to be older traditions followed in the B.C era. Most other modern-day Christmas traditions came from various European countries which symbolized their unique faith. |
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