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#1 Old 04-18-2004, 05:56 PM
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I had a cashiering shift yesterday at my work and this old Republican-looking couple (you'd think they're Republicans too if you saw them) was in my line. The old man made a few jokes about how he likes real money and something else. He obviously was heavily into politics because I didn't understand any of the jokes and he immediately reminded me of my Reagan loving grandfather. In any case, as he left, he handed me a little card (I'm very used to getting these from Baptists, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, et cetera) and so I just took it and said thank you, have a good day!



Well, the card said "Stop the FTAA!" and I admit I don't know a whole lot about the FTAA but I have heard some about the FTAA and immediately this popped into my mind "Wait, I know I don't know much about this, but I thought I was against this and that old man was a Republican!" Ok, so I'm not the greatest at thinking on my own. Whatever. That's another thread!



So I've been researching the FTAA and there's definitely lots of stuff that I don't agree with but when I go to sign the petition on this page there are ads on the left side that say "Get US out of the UN!" What?! I'm so confused. Getting the US out of the UN seems like such a Republican thing to do. The petition is also against illegal immigrants having jobs in the US. That seems like a Republican thing as well.



What on Earth is going on. I'm so confused.
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#2 Old 04-18-2004, 06:54 PM
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In part, that means Americans would lose control of their property, suffer taxation by anti-American socialist bureaucrats, and watch helplessly as standards of justice they had taken for granted, such as the Bill of Rights, are trampled. Meaningful national borders would also cease to exist.



Well, that doesn't sound like a good thing.....



I'm interested to hear what others have to say about all this. I'm pretty clueless about FTAA (and they don't talk about it in People Magazine....).
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#3 Old 04-18-2004, 07:12 PM
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/supports the FTAA.
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#4 Old 04-19-2004, 04:18 AM
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In theory I'm for free trade and no borders, but having lived through the EU I think it's turned into a crock of sh!t. Endless beaurocrats and red tape, it's a gravy train for civil servants to get rich on. It benefits global industialists and hammers smaller businesses.



One time they brought out a european law saying "soya milk" is NOT ALLOWED to be called soya milk any more, but must be called soya liquid.
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I'm not an expert on the FTAA by any means, but I am passingly familiar with it. It is drawing criticism for right libertarians, paleo-conservatives, and anti-imperialist leftisits alike, apparently.
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kpickell - can you tell us why you believe the FTAA is a good thing?

The ones I pity are the ones who never stick out their neck for something they believe, never know the taste of moral struggle, and never have the thrill of victory. - Jonathan Kozol
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nope. don't know much about it.

but after spending two minutes at the www.stoptheftaa.org website it sounds like something I would support. I'm generally opposed to closed borders, and generally in favor of immigration rights and free trade.
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I'm generally opposed to closed borders, and generally in favor of immigration rights and free trade.



LOL, you should be in the UK tomorrow then! Our doors are being flung open to the populations of the 10 new EU member states as of May 1st!



Apparently most flights and buses from many of these countries are now fully booked for the month of May....................
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i'm against a company suing a country for environmental protection laws because it's going to cost them money, among a gazillion other things, therefore i passionately despise the FTAA. thank you very much.
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I don't see why those 10 countries should have to join a union just to get free trade and immigration rights. They should give all countries those rights regardless of whether they join the EU or not.
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Speaking of.... did you see the latest South Park episode. =D
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#12 Old 05-01-2004, 02:09 AM
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Speaking of.... did you see the latest South Park episode. =D

They durk arrr jerbbbss!!!
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#13 Old 05-04-2004, 09:28 PM
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um..im against the FTAA
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#14 Old 05-04-2004, 11:39 PM
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why?
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Also this is one area where I disagree with John Kerry... He doesn't think foreign countries deserve to have our jobs. Ethnocentricity I say.
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ethnocentricity or concerns over hyper-exploitation of labor in the global south? Now I'm really giving Kerry too much credit here...



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#17 Old 05-05-2004, 03:14 AM
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I think it has to do with being patriotic, and wanting to appear faithful to America and american jobs so that people will vote for him. Since Mexicans and people in other countries have no say in american politics, they are of little concern to politicians.
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