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guys i wanna know can adhd be cured without medication the reason is that i don't wanna take any medication is that my father is a hypocrite he just wants to pull something on me so that he would send me to an asylum he tried before bt my mom stopped him please help me

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The jury is out on that. We know that diet and exercise play a role in ADHD. We also know that the medications for ADHD have side effects, some are extremely bad side effects. Here's some info...

 

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/treating-adhd-without-stimulants/

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The jury is out on that. We know that diet and exercise play a role in ADHD. We also know that the medications for ADHD have side effects, some are extremely bad side effects. Here's some info...

 

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/treating-adhd-without-stimulants/

Thank you so much

 

do you think it can be treated without medication?

 

i am not the exercise kind of person

 

in fact how do i make sure that i have adhd? maybe i don't have it

 

and if so are there any other ways than exercise

 

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It would be good id you could as my partner has bad ashd answer is on meds for it
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Sam, my adult daughter has mild (now) ADHD. Medicine doesn't cure it, it treats symptoms. She has not been medicated for it except one prescription of Adderall when she started college, and she said it didn't help her.

What she says helps her are a few things:
1. Meditation daily, and she does walking meditations sometimes if she's too antsy to sit still.
2. Yoga. She loves it and is very talented, so that may be why it helps her.
3. Eating enough healthy foods, especially proteins. She likes protein shakes and usually has one for breakfast. She is not vegetarian but lives with 3 vegans, so most of her diet is vegan. We only have vegan foods in the kitchen.
4. Music and dancing. She is a beautiful dancer and loves music.
5. No caffeine.
6. Being out in nature periodically, whether the beach, camping, backyard by the lake, with animals. Sunshine helps.
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Sam, my adult daughter has mild (now) ADHD. Medicine doesn't cure it, it treats symptoms. She has not been medicated for it except one prescription of Adderall when she started college, and she said it didn't help her.

What she says helps her are a few things:
1. Meditation daily, and she does walking meditations sometimes if she's too antsy to sit still.
2. Yoga. She loves it and is very talented, so that may be why it helps her.
3. Eating enough healthy foods, especially proteins. She likes protein shakes and usually has one for breakfast. She is not vegetarian but lives with 3 vegans, so most of her diet is vegan. We only have vegan foods in the kitchen.
4. Music and dancing. She is a beautiful dancer and loves music.
5. No caffeine.
6. Being out in nature periodically, whether the beach, camping, backyard by the lake, with animals. Sunshine helps.

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in fact how do i make sure that i have adhd? maybe i don't have it

Maybe you don't. Here in the US people - often children - can get a diagnosis from a regular medical doctor. I think that's wrong. I think it should require a mental illness specialist and I also think we shouldn't be diagnosis or drugging children. But that's a side issue.

 

Personally, I would advise against getting any formal psychiatric diagnosis unless you really cannot function. I would definitely try exercise first. Everyone needs exercise. I'm sorry you don't like it but you do need it. I bet if you find the right exercise you'll like it :)

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PS - make sure you're getting enough good sleep.

"many of the symptoms of ADHD are very often similar to symptoms of insufficient and disordered sleep"

read more at WebMD: http://blogs.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/2013/05/adhd-or-sleep-disorder.html

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My partners adhd had been classed the worst case in the UK
alongside autism , asbergers. His sleeping is non existant which he is also on meds for. Would love a remedy to try
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Maybe you don't. Here in the US people - often children - can get a diagnosis from a regular medical doctor. I think that's wrong. I think it should require a mental illness specialist and I also think we shouldn't be diagnosis or drugging children. But that's a side issue.

 

Personally, I would advise against getting any formal psychiatric diagnosis unless you really cannot function. I would definitely try exercise first. Everyone needs exercise. I'm sorry you don't like it but you do need it. I bet if you find the right exercise you'll like it :)

now when i read what your wirtiting i can understand it does that mean that i am functioning?

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Sam, 

 

I think you need to find a doctor you can trust.  Ask them plenty of questions.  No one here can diagnose.

 

From what you have written in the past, I do not think you are functioning well, and you do need some intervention of some kind to help you.

 

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PS - make sure you're getting enough good sleep.

"many of the symptoms of ADHD are very often similar to symptoms of insufficient and disordered sleep"

read more at WebMD: http://blogs.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/2013/05/adhd-or-sleep-disorder.html

actually i sleep like all day 

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Sam,

 

I think you need to find a doctor you can trust.  Ask them plenty of questions.  No one here can diagnose.

 

From what you have written in the past, I do not think you are functioning well, and you do need some intervention of some kind to help you.

 

I want you to do well.

I agree with all of this.

 

For your own sake, you need to find a doctor you trust, and allow that doctor to help you.

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guys i did go to a doctor and she said that i have adhd and she asked me that if we have to keep on taking the sessions that i have to be on medicine

 

and i don't want take any medicines

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Can i ask apart from what you mentioned about your dad why you don't want to be on medications? I can vouch that the medications can really help some people. I know that alot of people dont like being on medication but if it helps your day to day life why not try it. I can tell you that my partner has tried a few medications for his adhd and the one he is on has really helped him in his day to day functioning.

 

Just wanted to say that just because you are on medication doesnt mean you can be put into an asylum. there has to be alot of proof that someone needs that from a psychyatrist and that is normally the last option

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Sam, being on medications isn't going to make you end up being in an asylum. Acting out violently about little things like one of your sisters eating some of your candy, and other incidents you've described here, is what will end up getting you into trouble, possibly much worse trouble than being committed to an asylum.

 

I don't know whether the diagnosis of adhd is the correct one - no one on here could give you an accurate diagnosis over the internet, even if one of us were a psychologist or psychiatrist (which, to the best of my knowledge, no one on here is). You're just talking to a bunch of lay people here, some of whom have paid attention to your post history, and some who haven't.

 

Based on things you've told us on VB, you get compulsive about things (your never ending fears about everything to do with Ivana, taking her to the vet constantly, etc.); you react violently and/or with tantrums toward your family when things don't go your way; you have incredible difficulty making any decisions, even extremely minor ones, for yourself. None of that is "normal" for a young man of twenty. Are you happy? It doesn't seem to me that you are - it seems to me that you are in an almost constant state of high anxiety.

 

It also sounds as though the therapist you saw thinks you need regular therapy for a while, but that it won't be productive without the adhd medication to help you focus. If you liked her, go back and ask her why she thinks you have adhd, and talk to her about the medication. If you don't like her or trust her, then see another therapist and see what she or he says.

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I agree with all that Beautiful Joe said.

 

Sam, you can always try out the medication for awhile and see if it helps.  You can even explicitly make a condition of trying it that if you don't feel it's working after giving it a fair chance, she will help you to come off of it, even if she would prefer you stay on it (I don't know if there's a process for coming off the medication that she recommends).  That would be your right to do that.

 

If you like and trust this provider, then seriously consider trying the medication for a little while.  I don't like medication either.  I despise pharmaceutical companies.  But sometimes medications are necessary.  At this moment no one can say for sure if any drug will help you - sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.  But from all that you have written I strongly believe that at this time anything self-directed like yoga or changing your diet is not enough of an intervention for you.  Maybe in the future, but probably not now.  Maybe there's a doctor in your area who is more comfortable and has success working with non pharmaceutical treatments - you can ask around about that too.  Express you concerns about medications to the provider you have seen and see what she has to say or if she can make any other recommendations.

 

This is just my opinion.  I'm uncomfortable trying to advise anyone medically on a message board, but I do know that you need someone you trust to help you through this right now, in order to have a pleasant life.  

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Which medication did she prescribe?

 

One ADHD drug INCREASES the risk of suicide for young adults: Strattera.

 

Quoting WebMD: "The nonstimulant Strattera carries a warning – like all antidepressant medications -- about potentially causing a slight increased risk of suicide in young adults aged 18-24."

link: http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/tips-reduce-adult-adhd-medication-side-effects?page=2

 

The Strattera website says:

"In some children and teens, Strattera increases the risk of suicidal thoughts or actions. Results from Strattera clinical studies with over 2200 child or teenage ADHD patients suggest that some children and teenagers may have a higher chance of having suicidal thoughts or actions. Although no suicides occurred in these studies, 4 out of every 1000 patients developed suicidal thoughts."

link: http://www.strattera.com/Pages/index.aspx

 

So do your research and make sure you really understand the risks and that you feel sure that the benefits outweigh the risks IF you choose to use medication.

 

None of us can diagnose you. All we see is what you write. You could be more or less "normal" than how your writing appears. It's your brain, your body, you have to decide what's best.

 

Personally, I'd get a second opinion on the diagnosis. And I'd try non-drug interventions first. But that's just me.

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I think that people in general need to be extremely careful about the advice they give with respect to mental health issues - you do not know what the consequences of even well meant advice will be. In my extended family alone, there have been six suicides and a murder/suicide - eight deaths, at least some of which could possibly have been avoided with the right medical intervention.

 

Sam, it's important that you do whatever is necessary to make your life better - you deserve that, and your family deserves that. There is nothing wrong with getting help to do that. Talk to this therapist, and if you end up not trusting what she says, find another therapist that you do trust. I would have long since been dead but for a combination of talk therapy and medications when I needed them.

 

Again, Sam, you deserve to have a happier life than you do now.

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I think that people in general need to be extremely careful about the advice they give with respect to mental health issues - you do not know what the consequences of even well meant advice will be. In my extended family alone, there have been six suicides and a murder/suicide - eight deaths, at least some of which could possibly have been avoided with the right medical intervention.

 

Sam, it's important that you do whatever is necessary to make your life better - you deserve that, and your family deserves that. There is nothing wrong with getting help to do that. Talk to this therapist, and if you end up not trusting what she says, find another therapist that you do trust. I would have long since been dead but for a combination of talk therapy and medications when I needed them.

 

Again, Sam, you deserve to have a happier life than you do now.

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Sam, 

 

I think you need to find a doctor you can trust.  Ask them plenty of questions.  No one here can diagnose.

 

From what you have written in the past, I do not think you are functioning well, and you do need some intervention of some kind to help you.

 

I want you to do well.

Thank you

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Sam, I don't know what's best for you, but I'm concerned that your particular issues are such that if you read any dire warnings about drugs and possible side effects that it will make you unable to try them out.  As a balance, here are some people who saw positive life-changing effects with Strattera:  

 

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I have never taken Straterra personally but my daughter did take it for a few years as she has ADHD...  It worked wonders for her. She really improved in all area's (except organization). Her grades drastically improved. Her ability to stay focused was phenominal (sp).

She had great results with this medication. I hope it works well for you also.

 

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 Strattera has changed my life, I am a new person, I am in school and getting all a's . Im 38 years old and have never gotten an a in my entire life. I can do things without being overwhelmed. It takes time to get your body used to the meds, but its well worth it. 

 

http://forums.psychcentral.com/psychiatric-medications/20462-strattera.html

 

We don't know what's right for you here.  My advice is to find a professional you trust and keep an open mind to all treatments.  

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Ok. I have hyper acute ADHD and I have learned to deal with it. I have made something of my life when other people were determined that I be forced to fit the norm.

My first advice is to ignore çommon sense'' advice from people who know nothing about what you (and I ) are going through. That includes anti pharmacy nuts and the sort of complete twat  who tells you äll you need is proper food and exercise or (my pet hate) ADHD doesn't exist-its just an excuse for Lazyness.

Doctors are by their nature NEVER people with ADHD and many are entirely unsympathetic as many have very rigid notions of how the world works.

There is NO cure. What there is are tools we can use.

I have used ritalin on specific days when I have lots of paperwork to do and it works for a short period then rapidly tails off so on the whole I don;t use it if it works for you then use it ..if not then don't

here is what works for me

 

1) we have gifts through ADHD we are spontaneous and think fast which is why we make excellent salesmen and actors. Don;t even think of going into a profession where you need precision and diligence- its a recipe for disaster. I make a good living through the sales side of business AND iam am starting a second career in Acting. I was also a Soldier for several years at the beginning of my life where my ability to think on my feet and act a part helped a lot.

2) The biggest propblem is being organised- I use thinking rock - a program you can download- i have the paid version but there is a free one. Please use it- its a life saver for us.

3) laugh at ourselves. This is hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeC040DqzFk

 

4) DON'T have an ADHD partner -its a disaster!~Get a job and make some good money and get a partner who is organised- 

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First, let me say that most of this post is about the general topic introduced in the title of the thread. My involvement in this discussion is NOT specific to Sam. I am much more personally interested in ADHD in young children and thus that's where I've done more reading.

 

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I'm going to stress exercise and proper sleep (not too little, not too much, all the stages) again. I'm not claiming that these will "cure" anyone; rather I will say that physical and mental health are linked. Moreover, regardless of whether or not exercise and sleep will help ADHD everyone needs regular exercise and proper sleep to be healthy.

 

 

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Here's an article about behavioral therapy: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=adhd-behavioral-therapy-more-effective-drugs-long-term&print=true

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Whereas stimulant medications may help young patients focus and behave in the classroom, research now suggests that behaviorally based changes make more of a difference in the long-term.

A new synthesis of behavioral, cognitive and pharmacological findings emerged at the recent Experimental Biology meeting, held last month in San Diego, where experts in ADHD research and treatment gathered to present their work. Their findings suggest that behavioral and cognitive therapies focused on reducing impulsivity and reinforcing positive long-term habits may be able to replace current high doses of stimulant treatment in children and young adults.

If anyone reading is interested in the topic of this thread - treating ADHD without medication - then it's worth looking into behavioral therapy. It can be done in addition to medication as well. And for young children behavior/cognitive therapy the recommended first type of intervention; the new AAP recommends that young children who have been diagnosed with ADHD are not given meds and instead do behavior therapy first: "For preschool-aged children (4–5 years of age), the primary care clinician should prescribe evidence-based parent- and/or teacher-administered behavior therapy as the first line of treatment" (link)


 

 

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Sam, I don't know what the laws are like in your country but in the US there are a number of different health professionals who would be able to diagnose and treat ADHD:

 

MD - medical doctor who can prescribe drugs, limited mental health training

Psychiatrist - mental health expert who is also a medical doctor and can prescribe drugs

Psychologist - mental health expert who cannot prescribe drugs

Therapist - general term for someone who is comforting, may or may not have any medical or mental health training

 

Each of these types of professionals leans a different way in treating something like ADHD but any of them might be helpful. You would have to decide which is best for you. In my experience, MDs are either too quick or too slow to diagnose and treat mental illness. My feeling is that they are best for regular physical illness and to rule out physical causes of mental upsets. (If you haven't already ruled out physical causes of your ADHD-like behaviors then that's definitely worth doing). I would also be a bit wary of "therapists" who do not have any advanced degrees. There are people who call themselves "life coaches" and other similar titles who might be excellent for some issues but are simply not equipped for dealing with serious mental illness. Personally, I would trust psychiatrists and psychologists most. Then, I would choose someone who specializes in ADHD.

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And Sam, I would be careful in your country being open with a psychiatrist or therapist about being bisexual/gay.
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And Sam, I would be careful in your country being open with a psychiatrist or therapist about being bisexual/gay.

That will certainly make therapy really productive. (And yes, I'm being sarcastic.)

 

 

 

 

 

A number of you are assuming that this therapist is making/has made a diagnosis that adhd is "the" issue with which Sam is dealing, and so you're focusing on that exclusively. From what Sam said, that she thinks he needs therapy but wants him to be on adhd medicine, I am guessing that the adhd issue is secondary, and that she wants him to be on medication so that he can be focused enough for therapy to have a chance of working. And yes, that's a guess, just like some of you are making assumptions based on extremely limited information.

 

 

This is the problem with a bunch of lay people who have their own personal biases and interests and assumptions giving medical advice on the internet without any real information about what the circumstances are and without any apparent concern for possible consequences of effectively discouraging a confused young person from pursuing actual professional help.

 

Sam, you should talk to the therapist and ask her all the questions you can come up with. If you don't trust her, then work with your mother to find another therapist. Talk to your mother about all this - she knows you, she knows the circumstances, and from what you've said, she loves you very much.

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Where are you Sam?

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I just love the patronising crap about diet and exercise again. Lost of people with no ADHD just love to tell us how it all works. I was an Army PT instructor and still had ADHD. Oviously diet and exercise are important for life in general but they are not magic bullets for ADHD.
 

Also the usual American assumptions that the world works like the USA does. If you were in France you would get no help because the French refuse to recognise ADHD.

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Sam lives in Jordan.
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Specifically, in Amman.

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