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#331 Old 06-03-2012, 09:27 PM
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I think that plain and simple logic is being applied here. If we accept the premise that..

 

  possession of a uterus gives a woman the sole responsibility for the choice of whether to continue a pregnancy or not

 

then we must also accept that..

 

a woman is solely responsible for the product of the choice that was made solely by her.

 

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His first words I recall were along the lines of 'oh **** what are you going to do?'...

 

We attempted to talk and he again asked what was I going to do and he felt it was really nothing to do with him much as I had made it clear I wanted to end the marriage. He told me he had no money to support a child if I chose to carry on the pregnancy alone but he would think about 'forgiving me all the stupidity about divorcing him ' and might take me back as long as I toed the line and became a proper wife again. If I would not come home and 'behave' then he would find out how much an abortion would cost and we could get one done as soon as possible without anyone knowing as he had no intention of paying a penny more than an abortion cost if I did not come home.


So then.. I made my choice...'

 

I am really confused about what you're saying.  It sounds as though you're agreeing with CG that since women can choose to get abortions (if they have access, which is a big if) that they are solely responsible for children - and if men don't want to be fathers financially or emotionally they should get to walk away, since they didn't make the choice to give birth. 

 

But then it sounds like you're upset that your husband agreed with that position.

 

I'm not sure what your position is.


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#332 Old 06-04-2012, 05:33 AM
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I agree.


Me too.

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LOL, even for people who only have homosexual sex?
 

 

There actually is a homosexual analogy that can be drawn from this thread with regard to HIV and unprotected sex, and there even exists a small subset of the gay population who intentionally have unprotected sex to try and get the disease (it's called getting 'pregnant' by some).  I have refrained from bringing this up because I would never want to equate child-bearing to disease.  But since this thread has gone totally to sh-t anyway I thought it might be important to mention that this isn't a gender issue with me.  There are tons of folks out there, male and female alike, who are ready and willing to have unprotected sex, knowing that the consequences of their actions will be paid for by the taxpayer... and that's what chafes my ass more than anything.

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#334 Old 06-04-2012, 12:17 PM
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There actually is a homosexual analogy that can be drawn from this thread with regard to HIV and unprotected sex, and there even exists a small subset of the gay population who intentionally have unprotected sex to try and get the disease (it's called getting 'pregnant' by some).  I have refrained from bringing this up because I would never want to equate child-bearing to disease.  But since this thread has gone totally to sh-t anyway I thought it might be important to mention that this isn't a gender issue with me.  There are tons of folks out there, male and female alike, who are ready and willing to have unprotected sex, knowing that the consequences of their actions will be paid for by the taxpayer... and that's what chafes my ass more than anything.

 

You mean, you won't pay for me to pop out a bunch of kids? Why not?

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Woah.

 

This is quickly becoming the new abortion thread.


Insults abound!


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I am really confused about what you're saying.  It sounds as though you're agreeing with CG that since women can choose to get abortions (if they have access, which is a big if) that they are solely responsible for children - and if men don't want to be fathers financially or emotionally they should get to walk away, since they didn't make the choice to give birth. 

 

But then it sounds like you're upset that your husband agreed with that position.

 

I'm not sure what your position is.

please cite the areas in the United States where women don't have access to getting an abortion if they choose to get one.

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please cite the areas in the United States where women don't have access to getting an abortion if they choose to get one.

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please cite the areas in the United States where women don't have access to getting an abortion if they choose to get one.

Across the country, 87% of U.S. counties had no abortion provider in 2005, and as noted in the national report card, 35% of women live in these underserved counties. Poor access to abortion services is a particular concern in rural communities. In 2005, 97% of non-metropolitan counties had no abortion provider.

 

http://hrc.nwlc.org/status-indicators/women-county-without-abortion-provider

 

I would guess there are even fewer providers today.

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Across the country, 87% of U.S. counties had no abortion provider in 2005, and as noted in the national report card, 35% of women live in these underserved counties. Poor access to abortion services is a particular concern in rural communities. In 2005, 97% of non-metropolitan counties had no abortion provider.

 

http://hrc.nwlc.org/status-indicators/women-county-without-abortion-provider

 

I would guess there are even fewer providers today.

there are at least 800 planned parenthood locations across the country, and they are in every state according to planned parenthoods on web site. so just because there is not one in every county doesn't mean they don't have access to abortions..... what would you prefer they were like starbucks. one on every other corner?

 

just because a county of 5000 people doesn't have an abortion clinic doesn't mean access to an abortion is denied or inaccessable. You still haven't shown anywhere that access to an abortion is not accessable.

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there are at least 800 planned parenthood locations across the country, and they are in every state according to planned parenthoods on web site. so just because there is not one in every county doesn't mean they don't have access to abortions..... what would you prefer they were like starbucks. one on every other corner?

 

just because a county of 5000 people doesn't have an abortion clinic doesn't mean access to an abortion is denied or inaccessable. You still haven't shown anywhere that access to an abortion is not accessable.

 

Not all Planned Parenthood clinics provide abortions and Planned Parenthood clinics are not the only providers of abortions.

 

However, who said women do not have access? (although, access will depend on people's situations)  Didn't Irizary state that "...since women can choose to get abortions (if they have access, which is a big if)..." It sounds to me like people have to make the claim that women have access.  She was pointing out that it's an 'if'. 

 

ETA:  This is not an abortion thread.  Can we stick to the topic?


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That had to have been a painful post to write.


Sorry about what happened to you.

Your husband should be sitting in a prison cell, IMO.


Thank you das_nut it really, really was.

 

I felt it was important to clarify the situation and hopefully restore my credibility on the board.

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