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#1 Old 12-19-2011, 05:22 AM
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Occupy Wall Street has talked a lot about the growing gap between the rich and the other 99%. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but they haven't addressed Corporate behavior much at all. Personally I find the reprehensible actions of a Corporation like Tyson Foods as a much bigger issue than the gap between rich and the middle class/poor. Tyson Foods is far from the only Corporation that should be addressed. Do you think Corporate behavior should be a bigger issue than the gap between the rich and other 99%, or vice versa?
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Do you mean corporate behaviour as in having profit as their only real priority, to the detriment of overyone and everything else -- the environment, workers, animals, indiginous peoples and more? I think that is dictated by the underlying framework in which the economy operates. It's the c word. A top US republican strategist has advised to avoid using the word under the current circumstances.

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No? Well, if you don't think they've addressed that, it's evidence they're not getting their message across well enough. Occupy Wall Street was started by Adbusters, after all. ("We are a global network of culture jammers and creatives working to change the way information flows, the way corporations wield power, and the way meaning is produced in our society.") The whole idea originally was to protest corporate power overshadowing the power of individual voters.

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It's the c word. A top US republican strategist has advised to avoid using the word under the current circumstances.

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"I'm so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I'm frightened to death," said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message. "They're having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism." [...] "I'm trying to get that word removed and we're replacing it with either 'economic freedom' or 'free market,' " Luntz said. "The public . . . still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we're seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we've got a problem."

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Do you mean corporate behaviour as in having profit as their only real priority, to the detriment of overyone and everything else -- the environment, workers, animals, indiginous peoples and more?

Basically. American businesses were aiding Nazi Germany and I believe Communist Russia as well. Obviously any business that involves factory farms and companies like Monsanto have caused a lot of problems. The list goes on and on. It's been going on for a long time, but I think they've been worse in recent decades and this should be addressed.
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No? Well, if you don't think they've addressed that, it's evidence they're not getting their message across well enough. Occupy Wall Street was started by Adbusters, after all. ("We are a global network of culture jammers and creatives working to change the way information flows, the way corporations wield power, and the way meaning is produced in our society.") The whole idea originally was to protest corporate power overshadowing the power of individual voters.

I don't have cable television so most of what I read is from newspapers. Just going by what I've read, it doesn't appear they're talking about it much. If they are, it's a minor issue rather than a major issue as it should be.
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Make no mistake, we are screwed. Politicians are just as frikken crooked. Don't believe it? Research why they haven't passed the insider trading law that effects them and why it's legal, perfectly legal, for them to personally profit that way. Insider trading is a criminal offense for everyone but congress. That's f'ed up. It's not just big business. It's one big fat conspiracy. Look up how much the individual wealth of federal politicians has grown in the last few years based on this illegal activity that isn't illegal for congress. Big business is corrupt because our elected officials can and are bought and paid for. The average person doesn't stand a chance.

The whole system is corrupt. Occupy can protest all they want to. It wont change anything because the masses think Occupy Wall Street is a bunch of cooks and hippies. Occupy Wall Street is a good movement. But, by it's very construct it will implode. It can be infiltrated with genuine cooks and weirdos looking to go Communist and that's the end for Occupy.

Unfortunately a decent movement is gonna need, at the very least, a legislative congress of sorts. A group of people to set the theme and direction of the movement so it can't be hijacked and flown into a mountain. The Occupy movement gives voice to every fringe idiot that has a frikkin opinion. That will be, and is the ruination of the greater movement. Meanwhile, the huge business, corporate sociopaths, are lovin every minute of it.

I'm probably older than 95% of the people on this board (probably more). I was a kid when folks were protesting the war in Vietnam. I saw it. The lessons learned from that movement have been forgotten. Americans are, as individuals, are content as long as they get theirs. This issue is an economic issue and it will have very big consequences for the coming generations. The separation of wealth will have the the masses scrambling for ever smaller slices of the pie while "the job creators" horde more and more of the resources (while not creating jobs). Frankly, the GOP argument sounds like crap to me, and I'm a registered Republican. The days of Ronald Regan are gone forever. They talk about Ronnie all the time but, he taxed everyone fairly. The rich paid the same percentage as the middle class, not half like right now. Right now the working folks pay about 30% while the wealthy pay 15% at most, probably less. Wall Street folks, who don't own companies and can't create jobs are getting the breaks and will get all the breaks in the future. What they can do is make sure that jobs get outsourced. They can pay off legislators on all sides to ensure that working people will never get a fair shake. They can make sure that people die from lack of decent health care so that a small few make huge profits.

I'm not a socialist but, I'm watching my country, and the world, heading down a very dangerous road. In years past the masses could take back their government. In fact, the US Constitution says that the people should take back their government when it gets hijacked by a few. But, the founding fathers never anticipated the kinds of power and resources that the masses would face if they decided that a government "of the people" were to be hijacked.

Please take a minute to read the Declaration of Independence of the United States. It is an incredible document.

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In years past the masses could take back their government.

The unions in the UK kinda did that in the 70's and 80's.

Instead of the idle few we ended up with the idle masses.
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Idleness sucks. I totally agree on that point. I got my first job building bicycles at a Schwinn shop in 1972. I was underage and they paid me in cash. I have never stopped working. People who aren't willing to work and just want to suckle the government tit are a problem, no doubt.
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I just heard Thom Hartmann say that the homeless live an average of 30 years less and we have one point something million homeless kids in the U.S.
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