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#31 Old 09-22-2011, 04:19 PM
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what makes it immoral? even if it is a choice, which i don't think it is, there is nothing immoral about those actions to me
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what makes it immoral? even if it is a choice, which i don't think it is, there is nothing immoral about those actions to me

To you.
but Im not going to sit here and call you out on it.
You gave your opinion, I accepted it for what its worth
I gave mine, I dont see why you cant do the same.
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To you.
but Im not going to sit here and call you out on it.
You gave your opinion, I accepted it for what its worth
I gave mine, I dont see why you cant do the same.

i accept the fact that you have an opinion. i don't think i will accept the opinion itself but it is nice to discuss it just to see why someobody would consider it immoral

Also when you say that we should accept that you areagainst homosexuality, doesn't it mean that you in return should accept their lifestyle?
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Ill tell you what the problem is, the left tries to guilt people into accepting homosexuality.
All I have to say is, I think its a choice, and I don't think its a moral one. My opinon.
now it gets followed with the insults, the accusations, the suggestion that if I don't like homosexuals, I must be one..
but that is all ok right?

I guess my problem is that I don't like the loss of morals in this country, and I refuse to accept the liberal agenda.

The loss of morals, in my opinion, comes from the entitled right, who think they can live in a country where they don't have to share the resources this country gave to them. Greed and the denial of the importance of education are the real moral problems this country faces - not accepting the sexual orientation of teenagers.

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The loss of morals, in my opinion, comes from the entitled right, who think they can live in a country where they don't have to share the resources this country gave to them. Greed and the denial of the importance of education are the real moral problems this country faces - not accepting the sexual orientation of teenagers.

Those resources are there for anyone to take.
Why should I feel any obligation to support someone that does not work that
1 lived and grew up in the same neighborhood as I did.
2 was raised in a family of equal wealth
3 went to the same schools from day one till we graduated.
why?
the difference came when I was studying and he was smoking dope and playing Beatles records backwards. (records, did I date myself?)
then he took a crap job when I went into the military.
He kept the crap job while I went to college in the military and even after I got out.
Where is the disparity you speak of?

We both had the same opportunity available, I cannot be responsible to support him if he failed to take advantage. He is where he planned for.
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Your perception of those who need government assistance seems to be nearly as narrow as your opinion on sexual persuasion.

My daughter receives SSI and Medicaid. She's never worked a day in her life (she's almost 22). She's never been in the military or gone to college. She's never smoked dope and she has no children. But as a disabled adult, she is entitled to a pittance from the government, just for being an American citizen. Think she can survive on disability? Nope, she gets $467 dollars a month, and free medical care. But thanks for your help, even if you don't want to give it.

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ok, back to the disabled, that I have already on a number of instances said fall into a category that falls under the ok to support.

but like I said about liberals before, you hear what you want and turn what people say into something else.
now how about answering the post I put up and stop playing this game.
where is the disparity that I should be required to pay for?
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What disparity? Seriously, I don't know exactly what you mean.

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you said there was disparity in education, I do not agree. you said there was disparity in opportunity, I disagree.
the disparity is self induced. Why should I or anyone else support someone that refused to put forth an effort to line themselves up to support themselves?

where is the disparity?
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All I have to say is, I think its a choice, and I don't think its a moral one. My opinon.

So when did you choose to be straight? I'm sure you can remember the moment, since sexuality is a choice and all.
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the left tries to guilt people into accepting homosexuality.
All I have to say is, I think its a choice, and I don't think its a moral one. My opinon.
now it gets followed with the insults, the accusations, the suggestion that if I don't like homosexuals, I must be one..
but that is all ok right? I guess my problem is that I don't like the loss of morals in this country, and I refuse to accept the liberal agenda.

Do you think only left wing people are gay?
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I did not say there was a disparity in anything. I said that my opinion is that the moral issues we face as a country have more to do with greed and a fear of education than they do with accepting or not accepting the sexual orientation of teenagers.

I do believe it's greedy for those of us privileged enough to have been educated, protected and indulged by the resources of this wonderful country not to lend a hand to those who need it. On the news (NBC) tonight was a report stating that only 55.3% of our young adults, ages 16 - 29, are employed. That's shocking to me. These are, for the most part, educated, computer literate young people who cannot find jobs of any kind. People who need assistance are not all like the person you described in your example - in fact, I would suspect that very few are.

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So when did you choose to be straight? I'm sure you can remember the moment, since sexuality is a choice and all.

For me, I think it was the first time I saw Lynda Carter in that Wonder Woman outfit on TV.

But I disagree with Fatman on this particular point.

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For me, I think it was the first time I saw Lynda Carter in that Wonder Woman outfit on TV.

I think that was the moment I realised I was bi.
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So when did you choose to be straight? I'm sure you can remember the moment, since sexuality is a choice and all.

I'm doing it.

Right now.

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But I disagree with Fatman on this particular point.

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I disagree with him on it too. I was attempting to be sarcastic.
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So when did you choose to be straight? I'm sure you can remember the moment, since sexuality is a choice and all.

maybe about the same time I stopped thinking for myself and only repeating lame talking points from my handlers?

please come up with something original.
Thanks in advance.
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So Fatman, I'm just curious, do you think its okay then, that this 14 year old boy was bullied to death because he was gay? Because you think it is immoral to be gay?

I'm confused what your opinion of the morality of homosexuality has to do with this article or topic. Its not very relevant that you think gay people aren't well adjusted. I'm sure there are many out there who also agree with you, but its unnecessary to insult people who don't feel they have had a choice in the matter.

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I'm doing it.
Right now.

Nasty boy Envy!
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For me, I think it was the first time I saw Lynda Carter in that Wonder Woman outfit on TV.

But I disagree with Fatman on this particular point.

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lol!

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Doesn't do a thing for me, since I chose to be straight and all.
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The loss of morals, in my opinion, comes from the entitled right, who think they can live in a country where they don't have to share the resources this country gave to them. Greed and the denial of the importance of education are the real moral problems this country faces - not accepting the sexual orientation of teenagers.

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I did not say there was a disparity in anything. I said that my opinion is that the moral issues we face as a country have more to do with greed and a fear of education than they do with accepting or not accepting the sexual orientation of teenagers.

I do believe it's greedy for those of us privileged enough to have been educated, protected and indulged by the resources of this wonderful country not to lend a hand to those who need it. On the news (NBC) tonight was a report stating that only 55.3% of our young adults, ages 16 - 29, are employed. That's shocking to me. These are, for the most part, educated, computer literate young people who cannot find jobs of any kind. People who need assistance are not all like the person you described in your example - in fact, I would suspect that very few are.

ok, what denial of the importance of education? do I deny the importance of education to anyone? or, do the parents of that child do it.
and as far as greed, Baltimore City schools get the most money per student in the state of Maryland, yet have the lowest scores of the state, maybe even the country.
This tells me it has nothing to do with Money and greed, but it does have to do with students that would rather run around all day than trying to learn. and since there are some that do learn and do escape that welfare lifestyle, I cant say that the school is inferior.

So again, how much do I owe some lazy SOB that didnt have the insight to get the education offered.

I say let them starve, take away the safety net and you have a hard time getting rope walkers.
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Nasty boy Envy!

Well, that is a plausible option for me after all, but it wasn't what I thought of.

Point being that if I don't do, think or even consider anything that which has with sex to do, have I not made a choice to not be "sexual" then?

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The students in Baltimore have abysmal test cores because they would rather run around all day? Really? You don't think that perhaps poverty, unemployment and dysfunctional families might be more the cause?

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The students in Baltimore have abysmal test cores because they would rather run around all day? Really? You don't think that perhaps poverty, unemployment and dysfunctional families might be more the cause?

when unemployment wasnt a problem, the schools still did poorly. but what do I have to do with dysfunctional families, and why should I support them. '
Why should I pay tax to support the illegals that get the royal treatment in this state?

Im more than willing to support myself, I expect others to do the same.
The welfare crowd does not need state paid cell phones, they dont need enough to buy a big screen or a lexus. at most they should get an apartment, and food dropped off to them. They dont need cash to go to the store. Make it rough and the system will see savings pretty quick
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Well, that is a plausible option for me after all, but it wasn't what I thought of.
Point being that if I don't do, think or even consider anything that which has with sex to do, have I not made a choice to not be "sexual" then?

What? I don't understand what you mean honey.
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who is being bullied here?

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Any LGBT person reading this thread, who Fatman just claimed isn't "well adjusted", without even knowing who they are or anything about them.

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I wouldn't call that behavior bullying. I'd call it bigotry. Not that I'm calling anybody a bigot.
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when unemployment wasnt a problem, the schools still did poorly. but what do I have to do with dysfunctional families, and why should I support them. '
Why should I pay tax to support the illegals that get the royal treatment in this state?

Im more than willing to support myself, I expect others to do the same.
The welfare crowd does not need state paid cell phones, they dont need enough to buy a big screen or a lexus. at most they should get an apartment, and food dropped off to them. They dont need cash to go to the store. Make it rough and the system will see savings pretty quick

You claim to help people during natural disasters - and I honestly believe that you do, not questioning that. But what are your criteria? Do you help people simply because they need help, or do you have a litmus test? Would you help someone who was on welfare get out of a ditch? Would you help a homosexual?

Since I live with someone who gets assistance, I can pretty much assure you that Lexus vehicles are not in the budget. Flat screen TVs, however, are really not all that expensive these days, and there are many cheap ones on Craigslist, so I'm not so sure that they should be disqualifying. And as far as state paid for cell phones, that's something that congress passed a long time ago, and we all contribute toward in our cell phone bills - so the service may as well be used or the proceeds will go to the cell phone companies, who really don't need them. Believe me, the minutes are very limited and they are not offering smartphones. But cell phones are much more affordable than home lines. We haven't got one for Kelly yet, as we're not sure she will be able to use it, but it's an option we will consider. It would be nice, since her ability to communication is limited, for her to have a cell phone for us to track her in malls and stores.

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You claim to help people during natural disasters - and I honestly believe that you do, not questioning that. But what are your criteria? Do you help people simply because they need help, or do you have a litmus test? Would you help someone who was on welfare get out of a ditch? Would you help a homosexual?

Litmus test? no. at this point I dont bother asking, Im on a call group for natural disasters and severe weather. I get a call and I go. its very simple. In snowstorms that shut the roads I make runs for the hospital, It might be driving doctors and nurses to the hospital (not as worried about them getting back home) I might be bringing needed medications to people that cant get out.
Im sure in my years doing this, I have transported gays, Im sure I have brought medications to those on assistance. and, I pull nobody out of ditches anymore, I will give them a ride to the nearest gas station or fire house or whatever, but I dont pull them. the reason is that if they are so lame that they cant keep their car on the road, everyone might be safer if they just stayed off the road in the first place.
Now, I do this because I want to, not because I have to. The first time the state or county calls and says, we see you have a vehicle registered in your name that can do this, and they try to demand I go, at that point, my truck shuts down and I dont run it unless its for my personal benefit. Do you see the difference here?

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Since I live with someone who gets assistance, I can pretty much assure you that Lexus vehicles are not in the budget. Flat screen TVs, however, are really not all that expensive these days, and there are many cheap ones on Craigslist, so I'm not so sure that they should be disqualifying. And as far as state paid for cell phones, that's something that congress passsed a long time ago, and we all contribute toward - so the service may as well be used or the proceeds will go to the cell phone companies, who really don't need them. Believe me, the minutes are very limited and they are not offering smartphones. But cell phones are much more affordable than home lines. We haven't got one for Kelly yet, as we're not sure she will be able to use it, but it's an option we will consider. It would be nice, since her ability to communication is limited, for her to have a cell phone for us to track her in malls and stores.

I have a feeling that what you/your daughter receives for benefits, falls way short of what she would be getting if she was a healthy mother of 10 that felt free money was better than earned money.
Personally, I would seriously like to see those checks reversed. Let the one that can work but wont get your daughters assistance, and let your daughter get theirs.
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