Yeah, every time, because I always think they've reached the depths of bat **** crazy and then they lower the bar again

Another publicity stunt? Damn you, Peta, damn you.

I am kind of curious what kind of porn it will be, meaning, whether it will be horribly demeaning to women or not.

"A headline for The Sydney Morning Herald once read, "Pro-vegetarian group treats women like meat."

Unless the Sydney Morning Herald is admitting that meat is treated badly then they must have meant that PETA's campaign is treating women well?

Maybe my father will end up going vegan finally!

They seriously make veg*nism look like ridiculous. Not to say they've never done anything good for the animal advocacy movement, but there are plenty of pro-animal groups out there that can make a difference without resorting to this nonsense.

Well that's easy, all porn is horribly demeaning to women.

Even porn that only involves men?

Yeah that.

and for anyone that does not agree, Imagine opening up the pages and seeing your daughter splayed open for all to see.

Best bet is for some womens groups to picket out in front of PETA until this foolish idea is dropped.
There are much better ways to do it. Cook books, Real articles about the impact of meat farming, Health journals etc...
You don't have to degrade women to get my attention.. Well, it does get my attention but not in the way that they would want.

And I say this as someone that has in reality never purchased a Playboy or any other of those magazines.

Carol Adams article on PeTA and Pornography can be accessed through the Internet Archive.

PETA and a Pornographic Culture, II

A Feminist Analysis of "I'd rather go naked than wear fur"

by Carol Adams



http://web.archive.org/web/200212112...petaporn2.html

Aren't you a wonderful supporter of 'the other side'. Thanks so much.

also a fan of killing "pansy-asses"

Seriously.

Yes, to a degree. They've gotten blistering criticisms from feminists and others over their association with pornography for more than 17 years.

And yet they still go ahead (apparently) and more deeply associate themselves with pornography.

This is an astonishing level of arrogance and stupidity. The enormity of this stupidity does surprise me.

That is the kind of response that gives the omni world ammunition and reinforces their claim that we are one trick ponies and don't care about humans at all, just animals. You would run down people that don't agree with you, but 'oh you love animals sooooo much!'. That is so sad on so many levels. That attitude makes it difficult for those who hope to encourage others to give a bit of thought to the validity of our 'compassionate/kind lifestyle'.

You are comparing a company that routinely brutally slaughters millions of animals a year for the sake of lousy meals, to a group of people who are on the front lines in the effort to make the world see that those same animals deserve to live their lives free of pain and suffering. They are undercover, they are in the boardrooms, they are on the streets, they are at shareholders meetings and all with the same goal, to let the world know that animals are not ours to use or abuse. There is no comparison here.

You might not like some of their tactics for whatever reason, but until the AR movement starts presenting a united front instead of some of us siding with the meat eaters camp, it will make us appear fragmented and weak. Thank you very much for your efforts!

no.

No what makes veganism look ridiculous is when people like whoever Fatman is, start spouting off on how they are going to beat to death an AR person for getting in his face. Statements like that put the lie to our protestations about our 'kind diet'.

And go ahead, support some other group with your money and your time. You are welcome to do that, and all kinds of support for all kinds of groups is so necessary. But while you are supporting the ones that you approve of, why don't you start nagging at them to get in the faces of corporate heads like at Reebok and Nike and Kenneth Cole, to name just a few, to make changes to their product lines. That is one of PETA's mandates, one of the ways they reach out in the name of saving animals. http://www.jivdaya.org/nike_tells_in...overnment.html

Just get out of their way and quit working for the omni side why don't you.

Ok, I admit, I thought the accusations that PETA was sexist were just silly, until I saw this, and now I'm completely convinced that they are, indeed, sexist. And why does this "campaign" not surprise me in the least, somehow?

Yeah, cookbooks and articles about how nasty meat is, is really going to get the attention of the general public and change what happens in boardrooms. Oh my gosh, you live in such a cozy, rosey little world don't you? All those things that you mention are out there and they are doing a bang up job.

Not everyone will change their lifesytle because someone came up with a new bean recipe. Maybe you would, but most wouldn't. So it becomes necessary to work in a multitude of ways, on a multitude of different battle lines and with all kinds of different methods. If one person is reached by this so that they even for a minute think about what they are doing, then good for the cows he or she may not eat in the future. Your sensibilities are not the issue here, real lives are. Or does that not matter?

I'm not comparing companies, I'm calling out the rationalization. My not liking PETA doesn't fragment "us", but PETA sure is doing a good job. You're very welcome for my efforts. Anything I can do to mitigate the damage PETA does with their sideshows is certainly a positive thing.

Considering that PETA also has numerous ads which feature men, some naked, calling them sexist is incorrect especially as the use of the word usually connotes to demeaning women. To say that they 'use sex' to gain attention to the message is more accurate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_484281.html
http://www.peta.org/features/Dennis-...-not-mink.aspx
http://jezebel.com/5780070/peta-chan...ed-male-rapper
http://www.peta.org/features/David-C...ed-fur-ad.aspx

Peta might care about non-human animals, but they sure don't care about human animals.

When they stop their sexist, racist, classist, and generally stupid all around campaigns, they'll get my support.

I however, believe that we can treat both humans and non-humans with dignity and respect.

Lets get something clear here. PETA is a detriment to the cause. Sorry if that offends.
They do kill animals that are healthy just because they cant find them homes fast enough.
and as far as the incident, yes, I beat the living crap out of the PETA ass.
To make it a short story, I had bought a hotdog from a vendor in Norfolk, he got in my face and started yelling about animals and such, I tried to move around him, he moved in front of me again, I warned him, I really did, then when I went to take a bite of the hotdog he in an attempt to look good in front of his friends, He tried to slap the hotdog out of my hand. It was on.
It ended with him on the ground, not feeling good, half a hotdog shoved in his mouth.

oh, and onlookers actually applauded.

So no, if that is what you think is going to change someones mind then you are the one that is seriously confused.

PETA needs new leadership and needs to regroup.

You disparage them for a couple minor issues and ignore the enormous amount of good that they do and have done. Do you not see a problem with that? How many other AR groups are doing the things that they do in the boardrooms and how much undercover work has been done by other groups that has resulted in animal abuse charges and in some cases convictions? How about supporting the good that they do or do you think that was all a waste of time?

Just like so-called animal lovers like Fatman are treating people with dignity when they/he suggests that beating people to the ground is a good thing. So when do you start appreciating the good that has come out of PETA and show them some respect for that?

I do not respect people who attack others, either. (Is that better? it's relevant to the conversation.)

I have yet to see any good to come out of peta.

But, you see extreme dehumanization of women as a 'minor' problem, so I doubt we are going to agree on anything.

SO, its ok to get in my face and try to slap a hotdog out of my hand?
Sorry, you get what you ask for in life.

Sorry, but you really just aren't getting through. I'd hardly call their pranks "minor." Not liking PETA does not imply that I advocate any other particular groups who are "worse" than PETA.

Should I really support a group simply because they do some good things, particularly when I think they alienate almost everybody they supposedly are trying to reach?

You are such. A. Hero. Sorry no one was around to give you the medal you deserve for beating up those nasty pansy-asses. If only we'd been there to praise you.