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View Poll Results: If God exists, do you approve or disapprove of its performance?
Approve 13 20.31%
Disapprove 44 68.75%
Not sure 7 10.94%
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#151 Old 08-22-2011, 04:01 PM
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A friend posted this on facebook. I thought of this thread when I saw it.

ETA: Swear filter messes up the link. After clicking it just replace the asterisks with a four letter word that rhymes with "firetruck". Link is NSFW due to swears.

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^That is hilarious

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A friend posted this on facebook. I thought of this thread when I saw it.

ETA: Swear filter messes up the link. After clicking it just replace the asterisks with a four letter word that rhymes with "firetruck". Link is NSFW due to swears.

Lmao i love it
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#154 Old 08-22-2011, 04:27 PM
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....Also, for anyone claiming to be agnostic because you don't know, an atheist is a person who does not actively believe in a god. If you can't say "I believe a god or gods exist," you are an atheist. It's just a definition thing, though, and doesn't actually change what you believe.

I'm an agnostic, and can't say I believe a god or gods exist. There's nothing wrong with atheism if that's what someone believes for whatever their reasons, but I always thought an atheist by definition denies that a supreme being or beings exist- or at least doesn't/can't acknowledge the possibility- whereas an agnostic considers one may exist. Otherwise, we wouldn't need separate terms.

Actually... I've seen atheists make this argument before. I think they just want to bolster their numbers by roping in the agnostics.

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I'm an agnostic, and can't say I believe a god or gods exist. There's nothing wrong with atheism if that's what someone believes for whatever their reasons, but I always thought an atheist by definition denies that a supreme being or beings exist- or at least doesn't/can't acknowledge the possibility- whereas an agnostic considers one may exist. Otherwise, we wouldn't need separate terms.

Actually... I've seen atheists make this argument before. I think they just want to bolster their numbers by roping in the agnostics.

That's not quite true. An atheist is simply somone who doesn't believe in God. They don't have to deny God's existence. We don't really care about bolstering our numbers, either.

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I'm an agnostic, and can't say I believe a god or gods exist. There's nothing wrong with atheism if that's what someone believes for whatever their reasons, but I always thought an atheist by definition denies that a supreme being or beings exist- or at least doesn't/can't acknowledge the possibility- whereas an agnostic considers one may exist. Otherwise, we wouldn't need separate terms.


Here's a video that should help you out. There are much better ones, but I don't remember who made them. If you watch some of the more popular videos related to atheism they'll probably show up in the sidebar soon enough. A lot of them are actually pretty entertaining.

Basically, though, if you don't want to click the link, we have separate terms because they describe different things. From what you've written, you're definitely an atheist. I'll assume you're also agnostic, but would need more info to actually know.

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^^^ Possibly. Gogogoddess, I was thinking of a comment by George Bernard Shaw about how agnostics are atheists without the courage of their convictions.

Then again, I once attempted to join an organization of atheists and agnostics, and was told by its president that I could consider myself a religious supporter when I admitted that I do pray. I was like, "...but... I don't have a religion! I'm an agnostic!"

Jinkies, I know the word "atheist" means, literally, "without God or gods" whereas "agnostic" means "without knowledge"... so yes, I would fit that definition of "atheist", since I can't say I believe in a supreme being.

ETA: I just watched the video you linked to. I'm atheist, going by what he says.

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There is nothing enlightened about conviction just for the sake of conviction. Agnosticism is my default stance on all hypothesis and theories towards which the scientific process may be applied. Religion just happens to be one of them. In that respect, I suppose it would be more accurate to say I'm an agnostic who, if I had to, would probably lean towards atheism. But I don't have to

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That's not quite true. An atheist is simply somone who doesn't believe in God. They don't have to deny God's existence. We don't really care about bolstering our numbers, either.

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looks to me like god's getting his ass kicked in this opinion poll. .
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looks to me like god's getting his ass kicked in this opinion poll. .

It's ok, He can take it!
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looks to me like god's getting his ass kicked in this opinion poll. .

And he/she deserves to. It's a sh*tty f*cking world we live in. If I really believed someone did this on purpose...
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And he/she deserves to. It's a sh*tty f*cking world we live in. If I really believed someone did this on purpose...

God created the world and gave man free will.
Who created the situation we now live in.
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God created the world and gave man free will.
Who created the situation we now live in.

The person who gave us free will, with an inclination for destructive tendencies.

ETA: I don't actually believe in the existence of such a person, BTW.

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God created the world and gave man free will.
Who created the situation we now live in.

Free will is an illusion.

And it's perfectly just for a baby to die of aids because someone ate an apple way back in the day, isn't it?
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Free will is an illusion.

And it's perfectly just for a baby to die of aids because someone ate an apple way back in the day, isn't it?

To answer that would be to question Gods will.

but as a side note, the apple thing is a guess at best, nowhere does it specify what she ate other than the fact that it was a fruit.
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If God exists it would not seem to be either pro or anti suffering. So disapproving of its performance based on suffering is kinda silly.
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Let's say I'm in a race and want to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible. I figure that the best way to do so is to shoot everyone in my way. I do this and shave a few seconds off my time which allows me to win the race.

You are asked whether you approve of my performance in the race. When you decide, will you completely ignore the piles and piles of corpses? Does it seem reasonable to do so just because the deaths of those people were irrelevant to me?
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There is nothing enlightened about conviction just for the sake of conviction. Agnosticism is my default stance on all hypothesis and theories towards which the scientific process may be applied. Religion just happens to be one of them. In that respect, I suppose it would be more accurate to say I'm an agnostic who, if I had to, would probably lean towards atheism. But I don't have to

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^That is awesome!!
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Let's say I'm in a race and want to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible. I figure that the best way to do so is to shoot everyone in my way. I do this and shave a few seconds off my time which allows me to win the race.

You are asked whether you approve of my performance in the race. When you decide, will you completely ignore the piles and piles of corpses? Does it seem reasonable to do so just because the deaths of those people were irrelevant to me?

Disapproving of a fellow member of society is a bit different than a spec on a spec in the universe disapproving of its creator. You can do it, I just said it seems kind of silly.
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Disapproving of a fellow member of society is a bit different than a spec on a spec in the universe disapproving of its creator. You can do it, I just said it seems kind of silly.

You've changed your point quite a bit here. I also disagree with the new post, but my response was regarding:

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If God exists it would not seem to be either pro or anti suffering. So disapproving of its performance based on suffering is kinda silly.

Anyway, for your new one, disapproving of one is the same as disapproving of the other. The only difference will be in relevance to the one whose actions you disapprove of. There's no difference in disapproving of one guy (say Hitler) for killing hordes of dudes and disapproving of another guy (say Yahweh) for killing hordes of dudes. The acts are the same regardless of who committed them.

You're just as dead if Yahweh tells your dad to murder you as you are if Jeffrey Dahmer eats you. It's not silly to disapprove of either.
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So... despite my earlier "don't know" comments, I must admit this is one of my favorite George Carlin skits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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^That one cracks me up too


"I firmly believe, looking at these results, that god must be a man. No woman could or would **** things up like this."

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carlin's best routines were classic. this was one of them.
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Great George Carlin video.

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If I were as bad at my job as "god" is, well...I wouldn't have a ****ing job.

"If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of **** you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago." - GC
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You've changed your point quite a bit here. I also disagree with the new post, but my response was regarding:

Fair enough. Well it's a weird question to answer, but technically I would approve of your racing performance insofar as whether or not it achieved your goal of winning, but I would disapprove of your performance as a member of society. Approval/disapproval of members of society has relevance considering we would typically assume humans want to be accepted or at least tolerated by their society. Also we can turn disapproval into action such as putting someone in prison, voting them out of office, etc. If God exists, we don't know what its intentions are or whether it couldn't care less about humans. Plus we can't turn our disapproval into action the way we can with another human. So I find the analogy confusing at best.

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Anyway, for your new one, disapproving of one is the same as disapproving of the other. The only difference will be in relevance to the one whose actions you disapprove of. There's no difference in disapproving of one guy (say Hitler) for killing hordes of dudes and disapproving of another guy (say Yahweh) for killing hordes of dudes. The acts are the same regardless of who committed them.

You're just as dead if Yahweh tells your dad to murder you as you are if Jeffrey Dahmer eats you. It's not silly to disapprove of either.

I don't agree there. Is disapproving of Hitler the same as disapproving of an earthquake? I think the intentions (or lack thereof) and identity of the killer matter.
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