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#1 Old 05-15-2011, 06:27 AM
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Dominique Strauss Kahn in the New York Times for sexual attack: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/ny...k.html?_r=1&hp

Right ? Wrong ?
I don't really know but I don't like him because I think he is a sociopath like mister Sarkozy, he love bullfighting like mister Sarkozy.
Animals is important for me, and I dont understand their people, bullfigthing is very very horrible I think.
Humans are important for me too and sexual attack it's horrible.
I am happy now, it's not my futur president, it's a good news and a bad news for that woman.
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Oh, wow, and I've stayed at that Sofitel too! Which was a last-minute bargain from priceline.com.

I'm not an expert on French politics, though socialist parties usually do have good principles, and it sounds like it's a good thing that he's probably no longer the face of that party. I feel for the woman though.
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"I've stayed at that Sofitel too!" You are lucky ! I would like to stay at the Safitel too lol it's for richs, and I think New York is THE city in the world (but I like my home Paris) !

"though socialist parties usually do have good principles" Yes for humans but not for animals.
Sarkozy's parties are not good for humans and not for animals.
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A bit of French politics:
DSK is not the face of the socialist party (PS). He's just the president of the IMF who happens to belong to the Socialist party, which speaks volume about how "socialist" the socialist party can be... As in the US, the PS has first to choose their own candidate who will be in the race to be elected president, so he's not the candidate of the socialist party for next year's presidential election; I don't even think he declared he wanted to be a candidate yet.
But the media have already been publishing hundreds of polls re the presidential election, with him as the candidate for the PS, opposing either Sarko or Marine Le Pen (nationalist Party), to find out who would win. So far he is just the IMF director, not the candidate of the PS, not even in the race to be the PS's candidate (as far as I know, FrenchGirl correct me if I'm wrong). Him as the best option for the PS to win the persidential election in 1 year has so far been solely a media construction.

And with this new scandal (it's not the first one re his sexual life), assuming this is true (some are already saying he's been framed, that it's all a lie, that the woman has been paid to make the accusations - women's voice is often discredited in case of rape or sexual assault, but when a high figure like DSK is involved, the poor woman will never be trusted, at least by some :/), he definitely won't be our next president!
However, if it turned out to be false accusation, it will probably help him win... :/

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I was forget Dominique Strauss Kahn love womans, it's not him first affaire about womans but here is more horrible.
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"Him as the best option for the PS to win the persidential election in 1 year has so far been solely a media construction." Not for me. I don't wanna a people love cruety for animals, I can't accepted. You really think it's normal ??? Same animals is very important for me, and not for you ?
Some people in the PS don't love cruelty and I prefer them.
Sarkozy can't be the president, the majority hate him.

"that it's all a lie, that the woman has been paid to make the accusations" I don't know, but if it's right it's horrible. Can you understand ?
I feel her.

I lived physical and sexual attacks and I had the opportunity to speak with people who had lived the same thing and it is horrible for those who have no real proofs just their suffering. People judge victims " she lies ", " she is the person in charge, she provoked him" but it is false. There it is about a monster then I do not see how we can believe somebody who misses so much heart of Dominique Strauss Kahn. If it is true he destroyed the life of this woman, there is of big chance so that she don't forget. Sometimes I get up and I wonder how I am going to survive what we made me and nevertheless this time, I did not find answer.
Nobody can't forget sexual attack, it's terrible !

Maybe she want money but maybe it's real.
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True, many socialists have no respect for animals at all, as many are still omnivores. Although many of us on this forum are veg*n and socialist!

From what you described Fushicho, this sounds like it has the potential to fuel news reports for a while to come, as is always when sex and politics mix. Fingers crossed that your next president is someone with much more integrity that Strauss Kahn or Sarkozy.

Also, speaking as someone who is working in a hotel right now, they actually tell our housekeepers to keep the door almost closed instead of wide open while cleaning rooms, that way it is more difficult for someone to sneak up on them and assault them. Sexual assault on housekeepers is a major issue, more than most people would think, so that alone gives me the feeling that she's not lying, as well as the fact that you mention that this is not his first sex scandal.
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"Him as the best option for the PS to win the persidential election in 1 year has so far been solely a media construction." Not for me. I don't wanna a people love cruety for animals, I can't accepted. You really think it's normal ??? Same animals is very important for me, and not for you ?
Some people in the PS don't love cruelty and I prefer them.
Sarkozy can't be the president, the majority hate him.

I'm saying that the fact that he is the best option for the PS to win has been made up by the media, because he's not even candidate yet. We know Aubry, Hollande, Royal are, but he hasn't announced his decision yet. But nowhere do I say he is the best option for the PS. I don't even believe the PS is a good option. Not as bad as UMP or FN, but definitely not a good option.
Je dis simplement que la candidature de DSK est une construction médiatique. Il n'a même pas annoncé sa candidature Ã* la primaire du PS! Le fait qu'il soit considéré comme la meilleure chance pour le PS de gagner les présidentielles l'an prochain ne provient que des sondages, et les sondages d'opinion, ça ne veut rien dire, c'est du bidon. C'est la seule chose que je dis. Je ne dis absolument pas qu'il est la meilleure chance pour le PS de gagner, je ne tiens vraiment pas Ã* ce que le patron du FMI soit président. Je ne pense même pas qu'avoir qq1 du PS Ã* la tête de l'état soit une bonne option pour la France. Moins pire que l'ump ou le fn, bien sûr, mais pas une bonne option quand même.

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"that it's all a lie, that the woman has been paid to make the accusations" I don't know, but if it's right it's horrible. Can you understand ?
I feel her.
Comme je ne serais pas le dire en anglais je me demande si tu comprends le français mais j'ai vécu des agressions physiques et sexuelles et j'ai eu l'occasion de parler avec des gens qui avaient vécu la même chose et c'est horrible pour celles qui n'ont pas de preuves réelles juste leur souffrance. Les viols on juge les victimes "elle ment", "elle est la responsable, elle l'a provoqué" mais c'est faux. LÃ* il s'agit d'un monstre alors je ne vois pas comment on peut croire quelqu'un qui manque autant de cœur de Dominique Strauss Kahn. Si c'est vrai il a détruit la vie de cette femme, il y a de grande chance pour qu'elle ne s'en sorte pas. Des fois je me lève et je me demande comment je vais survivre Ã* ce que l'on m'a fait et malgré tout ce temps, toutes ces années je n'ai pas trouvé de réponse.
Personne ne peut oublier.
Nobody can't forget sexual attack, it's terrible ! I can't forget my agressions.

Maybe she want money but maybe it's real.

I do understand, and I'm not saying she lies, I'm jsut saying that some people (from the comments I read on the Internet) say she does. I precisely say that usually people tend to doubt assaulted women, so in such a case, involving a high figure as the head of the IMF, it's even worse. I don't say she lies, I have no idea. The investigation will lead to the truth. Or maybe it won't, the case might be somehow dismissed, charges dropped and the whole case transformed as a pure smear campaign, whatever really happened.
Bien sûr que je comprends, et je ne dis pas qu'elle ment ! Je dis simplement que certaines personnes (d'après les commentaires que j'ai lus sur le net) doutent de la véracité de ses propos. Je dis précisément que déjÃ* en temps normal les gens doutent des propos d'une femme agressée, alors lÃ*, avec un personnage de haut rang comme lui, encore plus. Je ne dis pas qu'elle ment, je n'en sais rien, l'enquête le dira. Ou pas, l'affaire sera peut-être étouffée ou retournée en affirmant que c'est un complot.
En tout cas je ne remets pas en cause la parole de cette femme. En ayant lu la nouvelle, ça m'est mm pas venu Ã* l'esprit que ça pouvait être un coup monté pour nuire Ã* DSK et que cette femme pouvait être payée pour mentir.
Et je suis vraiment désolé pour ce que tu as vécu. :/

And if you base your vote on animal welfare, I guess you won't vote (which is not a criticism), because I don't know any party who include animal wellbeing in their program, not even the green party.
Et si tu bases ton vote sur le bien-être animal, je suppose que tu vas pas voter (ce qui n'est pas une critique, je précise), parce que je ne connais aucun parti qui inclut les animaux dans leur programme, pas mm EELV.

Yes Mia82, it sure will fuel news for quite some time! as far as having s/o with more integrity as a president, I don't know where to find someone like that among our politicians! Politician with integrity, that sound like an oxymoron to me
And I don't think this housekeeper is lying either (though of course, I have no proof nor access to the police file).

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President of the IMF, eats caviar, and accused of sexual assault. Not liking this guy at all.
The good news is the maid escaped the alleged assault. Even if it was a trap to frame him, I can't say there's much sympathy for him if he ends up losing his high position and all that money when most of us are living off scraps. I think he can do without the Porsche and caviar. Too bad he'll just be replaced with someone just as rotten :^\\

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Once again, as too often in the case of rape, sympathy for the alleged attacker, bashing of the alleged victim.

I've also read racist comments that she's originally from Ghana, and that it's well known that Ghana women are always looking after money.
Or the fact that DSK is rich and powerful and can have any women he wants, so why would he bother raping a housekeeper and jeopardising he's career, besides, it's well known he's a womaniser, so it can only be a conspiracy to make him fall from grace 1 year before the presidential election, he who was the supposedly best shot to beat Sarkozy.

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Why the hell is the HIV status of the woman involved even news?

Muckraking at its finest, folks.

Well, if he has HIV now, and his medical history doesn't include it prior to this, then at least that would prove she's telling the truth.

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I've also read racist comments that she's originally from Ghana, and that it's well known that Ghana women are always looking after money.

Not Ghana. She's from Guinea and scamming is a Nigerian thing.

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I don't know where she actually comes from, but in the comment I had in mind, the person said she was from Ghana and that women there were nicknamed two two, because they are always asking for two pennies. Well, I know the explanation doesn't make much sense, but that's all I can recall, and I can't find the comment on the Internet to properly rephrase it (or even better, translate it) ^^
But anyway, it was a racist (and sexist) comment about Ghanaian women who were all greedy.

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Well, if he has HIV now, and his medical history doesn't include it prior to this, then at least that would prove she's telling the truth.

It would prove some transmission of bodily fluid between them.

It wouldn't necessarily prove rape. He could counter that it was consensual.
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After looking into this matter more it seems really suspicious.

Anyone else find some holes in the official story?
Apparently he left the room in a hurry, he makes a dash to the airport and nearly gets away, but the police nab him just minutes before the plane takes off. Anyone know exactly how long it takes to report such a crime? I knew someone who went through the same thing and nothing about it was quick. Yet Strauss-Kahn was apprehended just-in-time, but that's just the start of things; I don't want to get into the details here, but why exactly was he in the US to begin with?

Keep in mind, arresting Kahn on that plane would break the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations:
"An envoy from another nation is traditionally treated as a guest, their communications with their home nation treated as confidential, and their freedom from coercion and subjugation by the host nation treated as essential."
Yet that's exactly what they do.

When someone makes an accusation of sexual assault there's plenty of procedures done. And by no means have I ever heard of someone being put on a $5 million bail on grounds that they be under armed guard even when paid. And it must be paid in cash. When someone is accosted by armed individuals, locked up, and then 5 million dollars is demanded for their release... it really sounds like an abduction & ransom to me o_0;

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I honestly didn't read the story (maybe 5 or 6 articles overall), because I really don't care, but from what you say, I don't think DSK can be considered an envoy from another country (though I'm not quite sure what an envoy exactly refers to ^^). I don't think he was in the US as a French representative of some kind (as far as I know, he has no elected mandate whatsoever), he is just the head of the IMF, who happens to not be a US citizen. I don't think that qualifies as an envoy from another nation.
So I'm not sure it would break the Vienna Convention.
Oh, I remember I read he was not in the US as head of the IMF because otherwise he would have been protected by some diplomatic immunity (which covers IMF members only on business trips and business related operations), so I guess he was there for personal reasons.

Framing him seems a bit farfetch to me, because he wasn't even yet candidate to the presidential election, which is in one year. He hadn't said yet if he wanted to be in the race of the Socialist party (PS) to elect their candidate to the presidential election. So even if the polls said he was PS's best bet to win in 1 year, framing him so far ahead from the election doesn't make much sense to me. It only gives more time to the other PS candidates to adjust their strategies against Sarkosy. Framing him during the campaign, just a few months before the elections would have been more efficient than doing it know.

As far as how quick after the alleged rape he was caught, the bail and everything, I have absolutely no thoughts about it.

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I just read the trial might be in 6 months to 1 year. So the timing is not that bad, actually! ^^

(and it also means it will be all over the media for another 6 months to 1 year... :'( )

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DSK doesn't get blanket immunity.

He has official acts immunity, which would not cover these charges.
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It would prove some transmission of bodily fluid between them.

It wouldn't necessarily prove rape. He could counter that it was consensual.

I don't think this maid is the only person with HIV, so it wouldn't prove a thing.

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DSK doesn't get blanket immunity.

He has official acts immunity, which would not cover these charges.

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After looking into this matter more it seems really suspicious.

Anyone else find some holes in the official story?
Apparently he left the room in a hurry, he makes a dash to the airport and nearly gets away, but the police nab him just minutes before the plane takes off. Anyone know exactly how long it takes to report such a crime? I knew someone who went through the same thing and nothing about it was quick. Yet Strauss-Kahn was apprehended just-in-time, but that's just the start of things; I don't want to get into the details here, but why exactly was he in the US to begin with?

Keep in mind, arresting Kahn on that plane would break the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations:
"An envoy from another nation is traditionally treated as a guest, their communications with their home nation treated as confidential, and their freedom from coercion and subjugation by the host nation treated as essential."
Yet that's exactly what they do.

When someone makes an accusation of sexual assault there's plenty of procedures done. And by no means have I ever heard of someone being put on a $5 million bail on grounds that they be under armed guard even when paid. And it must be paid in cash. When someone is accosted by armed individuals, locked up, and then 5 million dollars is demanded for their release... it really sounds like an abduction & ransom to me o_0;

Good grief. I have no time or inclination to address this entire mess of mistatements and absurd suspicions, but how have you missed the fact that he has an American wife, and that they have an apartment in Washington D.C. where the IMF just happens to be headquartered.

You also seem to be completely oblivious to the rather lengthy history of his physical assaults on women (including his god daughter, a well known economist and others) who happen to have the misfortune to find themselves alone in a room with him.
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"I've also read racist comments that she's originally from Ghana, and that it's well known that Ghana women are always looking after money."
Really ? In France, nobody says racist comments, a lot of bad comments for this girl, womans rights and poor people. It's a big scandal here.
But not racist comments except racist comments about american people. A lot of french people are mad I think.
They think it's sex and they think american people says sex is not good (because in USA a lot of scandals sex are in reallity normal in France but not here for me, for some people), but sexual attack is not normal it's not my vision about sex and I can't understand this.
Womans can says no !
Their comments make me crazy.
You know in reallity in France, it's impossible to says racist comments about black people but about womans, poors and white people (like amercican) it's normal.
The socialist party says now a lot a lot of bad comments about womans rights (for people sexuals attack is normal I think), bad comments for poor.
I am surprise.
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You know in reallity in France, it's impossible to says racist comments about black people

You appear to be wrong.

Here's another article on racism in France, which also includes derogatory comments about black people.
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He is an animal:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/d...ids-dress.html

He hit on 2 other hotel workers prior to attaching the maid.
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" Here's another article on racism in France, which also includes derogatory comments about black people. "

I think it's their opinions.
Anti racism association have got a veritable pouvoir in France.
Nicolas Sarkozy is not racist (I hate him but he is not).
It's just for everything in France a lot of people says it's racist like Brigitte Bardot she want to save animals and she says "Stop the hallal cruelty" so anti racism association says she is racist.
We can't protest, it's sad for animals (example).
We can't talk about blacks or arabs peoples, I think it's too much but I am not racist.
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"I've also read racist comments that she's originally from Ghana, and that it's well known that Ghana women are always looking after money."
Really ? In France, nobody says racist comments, a lot of bad comments for this girl, womans rights and poor people. It's a big scandal here.
But not racist comments except racist comments about american people. A lot of french people are mad I think.
They think it's sex and they think american people says sex is not good (because in USA a lot of scandals sex are in reallity normal in France but not here for me, for some people), but sexual attack is not normal it's not my vision about sex and I can't understand this.
Womans can says no !
Their comments make me crazy.
You know in reallity in France, it's impossible to says racist comments about black people but about womans, poors and white people (like amercican) it's normal.
The socialist party says now a lot a lot of bad comments about womans rights (for people sexuals attack is normal I think), bad comments for poor.
I am surprise.


*nobody* in France says racist comments. please. spare us. really. oh, racist comments about americans are ok, thanks. a bunch. WHAT ON EARTH would the french have to be angry about????? it wasn't sex. it was attempted RAPE.

it's not impossible for the french to make racist comments. that view of yours doesn't even make sense. i'm thinking we are losing a lot in your translation?

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It would prove some transmission of bodily fluid between them.

It wouldn't necessarily prove rape. He could counter that it was consensual.

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After looking into this matter more it seems really suspicious.

yes, it all makes sense now...*all* these other women came forward too. it's all a big...ssshhhhh...say it with me....conspiracy.
jeez

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yes, it all makes sense now...*all* these other women came forward too. it's all a big...ssshhhhh...say it with me....conspiracy.

Er, did you read my original post on this topic?

I was arguing that the media was muckraking by releasing the woman's possible HIV status.

Someone replied that it was newsworthy because it could used to prove rape.

I stated that it doesn't prove rape, only consensual sex.

Is releasing this woman's HIV status at this stage of the criminal procedures something we should encourage?

Do you think the STD status should be newsworthy?
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