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AdamLayish 05-02-2011 01:51 PM

Marijuana
 
What does everyone think about MJ? Btw sorry if I'm not allowed to talk bout this I didn't find a rule saying I couldnt

Bluejeans84 05-02-2011 01:53 PM

Yeah, probably not a good idea to talk about it.

papayamon 05-02-2011 01:55 PM

there are plenty of threads on it. there are many proponents of outright legalization here, such as myself.

Back-Space 05-02-2011 02:19 PM

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there are plenty of threads on it. there are many proponents of outright legalization here, such as myself.

I like you

GhostUser 05-02-2011 02:22 PM

Smoking weed is ok if no one else is getting hurt in the process. In other words, don't buy weed from profiteers. It's an ugly business.

imdead-goaway 05-02-2011 02:34 PM

I think there's extreme levels of ignorance on both sides, with people who, like our political parties, are afraid that if they even think about setting foot in the middle ground, their side will "lose".
Pot isn't the worst thing in the world, but it's also not the best.
Just because it's not as bad as other drugs, doesn't mean that there aren't side effects.

Josh James xVx 05-02-2011 02:47 PM

It's a plant. It grows in the ground. It's far less dangerous than many legal substances people choose to put into their bodies. I've heard it has medicinal properties, and some people use it recreationally to become high. I don't personally give a damn about being high in that way and I don't suffer from any physical maladies that require medicinal use of cannabis, so I don't use it. But I don't think it should be illegal.

Kappa 05-02-2011 02:58 PM

Total decriminalisation is the only way. Legalisation will only lead to the same sort of dependency structures that we get with alcohol and tobacco.

Never want it in my body and definitely don't want anything to do with the disgusting Triad weed that a few of my friends deal. All very well to get high and talk Trot sh*t about loving each other, but if you're still paying the criminal scum, rapists and murderers, then sorry, you're complicit.

Josh James xVx 05-02-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kappa View Post

Total decriminalisation is the only way. Legalisation will only lead to the same sort of dependency structures that we get with alcohol and tobacco.

Never want it in my body and definitely don't want anything to do with the disgusting Triad weed that a few of my friends deal. All very well to get high and talk Trot sh*t about loving each other, but if you're still paying the criminal scum, rapists and murderers, then sorry, you're complicit.


People can always choose not to become dependent on these substances, as you and I should know more than most people here.

There's no reason to stop at decriminalization, and there's no reason to stop at marijuana. Someone should be able to go to a clinic and get heroin if they want it. Why not? I could go to the grocery store, buy bleach, and drink it until I die if I chose to. It would be extremely stupid, but it's always been legal.

yally 05-02-2011 03:07 PM

I think it's gross and I've seen it really **** up a few people. It's nowhere near as harmless as people make out. That said, legalize, it's hardly worse than booze.

Ira 05-02-2011 03:10 PM

you can't talk about your personal experiences as far as i know, thats what i got warnings for


but yeah, i am all for it. i am all for legalizing every drug and people who are very much against it will never be forced to take anyways

vegansarawr 05-02-2011 03:11 PM

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Total decriminalisation is the only way. Legalisation will only lead to the same sort of dependency structures that we get with alcohol and tobacco.

Weed doesn't have the same physically addictive properties as tobacco and alcohol. Also alcohol and tobacco have much high tissue toxicity. Alcohol also has a higher behavioral toxicity.
That being said there are many studies which show that legality does not affect the usage rates of drugs once so ever. This goes for any drug, alcohol, tobacco, weed, heroin. Since HR clinic have opened the usage of heroin and crack have not gone up, its not people are going to say "Oh its legal now? Well now I'm going to try it." If legality did affect the rates people use there would be the same amount of crack heads as stoners.

Eonblue462 05-02-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh James xVx View Post

It's a plant. It grows in the ground. It's far less dangerous than many legal substances people choose to put into their bodies. I've heard it has medicinal properties, and some people use it recreationally to become high. I don't personally give a damn about being high in that way and I don't suffer from any physical maladies that require medicinal use of cannabis, so I don't use it. But I don't think it should be illegal.


It's a miracle plant and can probably replace most chemically created prescribed drugs. If it is researched properly, of course. But that wont happen for a good loooong time.

Non addictive, non cancerous, not a single death in recorded history, and it makes people happy. Not to mention the revenue it would create if taxed and legalized.

Ira 05-02-2011 04:09 PM

are you all people who talk about your own smoking getting warnings/bannings too? or was i just doing something wrong?

Eonblue462 05-02-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by imdead-goaway View Post

I think there's extreme levels of ignorance on both sides, with people who, like our political parties, are afraid that if they even think about setting foot in the middle ground, their side will "lose".
Pot isn't the worst thing in the world, but it's also not the best.
Just because it's not as bad as other drugs, doesn't mean that there aren't side effects.

*correction - it's not as bad as ANY other drugs.

Eonblue462 05-02-2011 04:11 PM

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are you all people who talk about your own smoking getting warnings/bannings too? or was i just doing something wrong?

Yep. I started a thread a while ago...3 replies in, I was shut down. Wah wah wah.

sequoia 05-02-2011 04:52 PM

Well the Proposition to make it legal in California was an epic failure. I think that those who were in favor of it passing forgot that stoners can't really be relied upon to get themselves to the polls to vote I don't know...it's not really my thing. I have very weak lungs because I had pneumonia a lot as a baby, so inhaling smoke of any kind isn't good for me. But I don't care if other people do it.

On the other hand...brownies.

Phoenix Days 05-02-2011 05:35 PM

Never have used it. Never will.

Bluejeans84 05-02-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kappa View Post

Total decriminalisation is the only way. Legalisation will only lead to the same sort of dependency structures that we get with alcohol and tobacco.

Never want it in my body and definitely don't want anything to do with the disgusting Triad weed that a few of my friends deal. All very well to get high and talk Trot sh*t about loving each other, but if you're still paying the criminal scum, rapists and murderers, then sorry, you're complicit.

Agreed.

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Never have used it. Never will.

Also agreed.

I'm have no clue as to why people think it's harmless. My dad did drugs, and the affects were horrible.

Mia82 05-02-2011 07:08 PM

For my thoughts on marijuana:

In a Wikipedia article, "According to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) secretariat, the overwhelming direct cause of deforestation is agriculture. Subsistence farming is responsible for 48% of deforestation; commercial agriculture is responsible for 32% of deforestation; logging is responsible for 14% of deforestation and fuel wood removals make up 5% of deforestation." As 42% of logging is used for paper, that's 6% of deforestation.

Also, if everyone went vegan then we only need to use 1/3 of the landspace that we need now for agriculture. So if you take 80%, which is the total deforestation that is caused by agriculture, and eliminate 2/3, we can stop 54% of deforestation by all of us going vegan. Then if we take logging for paper and fuel wood, that's another 19% of deforestation that we can stop by legalizing marijuana. According to another article, "[William Randolph] Hearst had lots of reasons to help....Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn’t want to see the development of hemp paper in competition." You can read the whole article here: http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/...juana-illegal/.

54 + 11 = 65% of deforestation that we could stop if we all went vegan and legalized marijuana and used the hemp plant and recycled materials as our sources for paper. 65% is almost 2/3. Now I in no way advocate that we all throw a party and get high all of the time just because it's legal, as it usually loses it's novelty value very quickly in places that have legalized or decriminalized it very quickly anyway. However, besides ecological benefits, legalizing it can also free up 1/4 of the spending on prisons in the US, which goes towards incarcerating people charged with marijuana offenses, it would severely cripple the drug trade for harder drugs putting an end to a large portion of gang violence, it would create agricultural jobs, it can have an excise tax on it to both raise revenue and discourage a heavy stoner lifestyle, it's far more environmentally friendly to make paper out of hemp than it is out of timber, and I've also heard rumors that a completely renewable fuel source to power our cars, trains, and airplanes can be developed from it.

There. Several problems solved at once.

fadeaway1289 05-02-2011 07:15 PM

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I think it's gross and I've seen it really **** up a few people. It's nowhere near as harmless as people make out. That said, legalize, it's hardly worse than booze.

I've seen it really **** some people up but I've also seen it do wonders for helping with nausea/vomiting after chemo treatments. I agree that it's gross especially because I think it stinks. I honestly have no clue where I stand regarding the legalization of it.

Ira 05-02-2011 07:24 PM

its relatively harmless. i also don't think that alcohol is harmless or eating cake is, but i still do both in a relative amount

Mia82 05-02-2011 07:28 PM

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its relatively harmless. i also don't think that alcohol is harmless or eating cake is, but i still do both in a relative amount

Everyone has vices. Ones like cocaine will kill you but most others in moderation won't.

papayamon 05-02-2011 07:31 PM

the number one killer? prescription pain meds.

Mia82 05-02-2011 07:38 PM

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the number one killer? prescription pain meds.

Add to that animal products.

saxyphonist 05-02-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mia82 View Post

Everyone has vices. Ones like cocaine will kill you but most others in moderation won't.

There are some pretty functional coke users. Not my cup of tea but...

julz 05-02-2011 07:45 PM

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are you all people who talk about your own smoking getting warnings/bannings too? or was i just doing something wrong?

I'm warning you.

No one else; just you.

Mia82 05-02-2011 07:48 PM

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There are some pretty functional coke users. Not my cup of tea but...

Definitely not my cup of tea either!! I've seen it mess up quite a few people in my time.

Ira 05-02-2011 07:50 PM

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There are some pretty functional coke users. Not my cup of tea but...

yeah true. it is just one that is harder to keep under control than weed.

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Originally Posted by julz View Post

I'm warning you.

No one else; just you.

oh, oh!

saxyphonist 05-02-2011 07:56 PM

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Definitely not my cup of tea either!! I've seen it mess up quite a few people in my time.

True. I do agree that has much more potential to do so than weed.


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