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#1 Old 07-07-2010, 08:02 AM
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Here's the link with photo and video: http://www.examiner.com/x-12278-Loui...y-4th-Festival
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This strikes me as idiotic... trying to make a point by getting a negative reaction has been done to death. And it seems to me that these people (the ones that created the tshirt) actually are racist, considering how on their website they sell bumper stickers that say "Don't blame me, I voted for the American."


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they're just dumbasses. they have a right to be, and they're exercising it. god bless america .
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Not really surprising. At street fairs in WV I've seen t-shirts with even more graphic and offensive images and sayings, such as shirts glorifying the KKK and other similar crap.

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This is disgusting. In Los Angeles you'd end up getting your ass kicked and be thrown in a dumpster, and that would be getting off easy. It's sick that people get away with this anywhere. Jeebus.
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they're just dumbasses. they have a right to be, and they're exercising it. god bless america .



+1. If someone sports an anti-racist t-shirt, then the opposite should be fine.

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This is simply political camp. They're making a joke about what usually gets yelled at people who disagree with Obama's policies.

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This is simply political camp. They're making a joke about what usually gets yelled at people who disagree with Obama's policies.

Even more amusing then. It riles the pc'ers up and that's always fun.

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+1. If someone sports an anti-racist t-shirt, then the opposite should be fine.

Ummm no.

I'm not saying it should be againt the law to say racist things (though maybe it should, I'm not sure), but it's far from "fine." Racism and racists are anything but "fine."
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Ummm no.

I'm not saying it should be againt the law to say racist things (though maybe it should, I'm not sure), but it's far from "fine." Racism and racists are anything but "fine."



What kinds of speech should be illegal? How would you like to censor it?

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This strikes me as idiotic... trying to make a point by getting a negative reaction has been done to death. And it seems to me that these people (the ones that created the tshirt) actually are racist, considering how on their website they sell bumper stickers that say "Don't blame me, I voted for the American."



That's more conspiracy theory than racism isn't it? I'm assuming it refers to the theories about Obama's location of birth...



(unless you think that law itself is racist, I suppose)
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That's more conspiracy theory than racism isn't it? I'm assuming it refers to the theories about Obama's location of birth...



I agree. Again, I doubt it's anything more than Democrats attacking Republicans and Republicans attacking Democrats. I can't fathom how you can see racism in that bumper sticker.

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, I doubt it's anything more than Democrats attacking Republicans and Republicans attacking Democrats. I can't fathom how you can see racism in that bumper sticker.

Really? You can't fathom how saying you're a racist could possibly be interpreted as racist? Really?
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Ummm no.

I'm not saying it should be againt the law to say racist things (though maybe it should, I'm not sure), but it's far from "fine." Racism and racists are anything but "fine."

Ummm yeah.

A person has the right to free speech as long as it's not espousing violence. Just because you don't like what they say doesn't mean that they don't have the right to say it or express it.

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Really? You can't fathom how saying you're a racist could possibly be interpreted as racist? Really?



Are we talking about the bumper sticker? As wacky as I think the "birthers" are, I don't think they're racists. I have not seen any indication that they hate Obama any differently than they hate Pelosi.

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Ummm yeah.

A person has the right to free speech as long as it's not espousing violence. Just because you don't like what they say doesn't mean that they don't have the right to say it or express it.

racism is violence.
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racism is violence.



Racism can lead to violence. One does not need to act violently in order to be racist, however.
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The bumper stickers are a reflection of genuine racism. It's real.



Those arguing that it's somehow a joke are legitimizing racism by allowing an out for the demiers when confronted with the truth.



Pathetic.
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Ummm yeah.

A person has the right to free speech as long as it's not espousing violence. Just because you don't like what they say doesn't mean that they don't have the right to say it or express it.



absolutely. they have a right to free speech, and i have a right to call them idiots. that's the way it has to be in a free society. . this shows the strength of our system more than anything else.
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The bumper stickers are a reflection of genuine racism. It's real.



Those arguing that it's somehow a joke are legitimizing racism by allowing an out for the demiers when confronted with the truth.



Pathetic.



No need to call other board members pathetic for seeing a bumper sticker for what it is: a political statement.

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The bumper stickers are a reflection of genuine racism. It's real.



Those arguing that it's somehow a joke are legitimizing racism by allowing an out for the demiers when confronted with the truth.



Pathetic.



A sticker referring to nationality (perhaps not even nationality - nation of origin?) may well be... reflective... of racism, but I don't see how it is in itself racist. Nor does its use by some people who are racist necessarily mean that everyone who believes that particular conspiracy theory, stupid though it is, holds racist views.



Or are you actually talking about the shirt? There seems to be two different items being discussed here and I think some people have taken one for the other.
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American political discourse has reached such a level of dishonesty that a person can espouse a view by holding a sign, wearing a t-shirt or having a bumper sticker proclaiming that view and when confronted about it, they respond that they don't hold that view at all.



The defenders defend him by arguing that a person claiming to hold those views doesn't mean they hold those views at all.



Insane and yes, pathetic.
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American political discourse has reached such a level of dishonesty that a person can espouse a view by holding a sign, wearing a t-shirt or having a bumper sticker proclaiming that view and when confronted about it, they respond that they don't hold that view at all.



The defenders defend him by arguing that a person claiming to hold those views doesn't mean they hold those views at all.
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Insane and yes, pathetic.



I find it very hard to believe that concept, especially on medium such as a t-shirt, is new to you. It's not new to me and I have actual problems with taking things over-literally. But have a nice rant, for whatever use it does...
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American political discourse has reached such a level of dishonesty that a person can espouse a view by holding a sign, wearing a t-shirt or having a bumper sticker proclaiming that view and when confronted about it, they respond that they don't hold that view at all.



The defenders defend him by arguing that a person claiming to hold those views doesn't mean they hold those views at all.



Insane and yes, pathetic.

agreed

though I don't think it's as generalizable as "American discourse." I think it's specific to discourse about race.

The dishonesty and denial happens elsewhere too, but when it comes to race, it's so blatant that it's baffling. I truly don't understand how anyone can think racist tshirts are symbols of freedom or satirical political statements. How exactly do we rationalize the hurt they cause? With "freedom ain't free" BS? Is that what I'm suposed to tell my son when someone calls him the n-word?
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racism is violence.



Absolutely and further more, it's hate speech - which is NOT protected by the First Amendment.

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Is that what I'm suposed to tell my son when someone calls him the n-word?



Chances are the person calling him the n-word is black and they have a good laugh over it. White people in the U.S. are absolutely terrified by that word, but I can go to youtube and pull up a dozen rap videos where that word is used repeatedly. Didn't Rev. Jackson call Obama the n-word? What sort of message does that send?



I'm not denying there's still pockets of racism left cause there is. I just don't see it around every corner and hiding in every bush.

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Chances are the person calling him the n-word is black and they have a good laugh over it. White people in the U.S. are absolutely terrified by that word, but I can go to youtube and pull up a dozen rap videos where that word is used repeatedly. Didn't Rev. Jackson call Obama the n-word? What sort of message does that send?



I'm not denying there's still pockets of racism left cause there is. I just don't see it around every corner and hiding in every bush.

well, already some said he was a cute little "pica...y".

and we've encountered plenty of more subtle racist comments.



Anyway, that's not the point of this thread. We were talking about tshirts and bumper stickers that at best are offensive to many people and at worst are hate speech.
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Go walk around South Central in that shirt and see what happens. It's got nothing to do with PC or freedom of speech.
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Chances are the person calling him the n-word is black and they have a good laugh over it. White people in the U.S. are absolutely terrified by that word, but I can go to youtube and pull up a dozen rap videos where that word is used repeatedly. Didn't Rev. Jackson call Obama the n-word? What sort of message does that send?



I'm not denying there's still pockets of racism left cause there is. I just don't see it around every corner and hiding in every bush.



i think racism is a basic part of human nature, so there are pockets of racism in everyone. that doesn't mean i think it's good or it's right. it's simply easier to call someone the devil if he/she looks different than you.
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Chances are the person calling him the n-word is black and they have a good laugh over it. White people in the U.S. are absolutely terrified by that word, but I can go to youtube and pull up a dozen rap videos where that word is used repeatedly. Didn't Rev. Jackson call Obama the n-word? What sort of message does that send?...



I don't get why blacks call other blacks the n-word...but I do kinda understand the reasoning behind it. It's the same reason why many gays would call other gays the f-word. Supposedly, they are taking an oppressive term and re-claiming it as theirs. *shrug* I don't get it, but I am neither black nor gay. If they say it works...who am I to disagree?



As far as racism goes in US or around the world...I think there are still tons of ppl who are racist, but in my experience they are very careful with their language, and will only reveal themselves in action, not so much in the words they use.



For someone who's experienced their freedom of speech taken away from them, I can tell you that it's a freedom most people don't appreciate enough. I think the whole t-shirt is disgusting, but I believe that it's part of freedom of speech. And though racism might invoke violence, it doesn't mean that a t-shirt with a racist slogan initiates violence. People do.

The same freedom that allows for that t-shirt to exist, allows me to have 'meat is murder' on my t-shirt. Or my new favourite slogan: "Pork, the other dead animal"
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