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#31 Old 07-08-2010, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cedre' date='09 July 2010 - 09:41 AM' timestamp='1278636077' post='2671042 View Post


I don't get why blacks call other blacks the n-word...but I do kinda understand the reasoning behind it. It's the same reason why many gays would call other gays the f-word. Supposedly, they are taking an oppressive term and re-claiming it as theirs. *shrug* I don't get it, but I am neither black nor gay. If they say it works...who am I to disagree?



As far as racism goes in US or around the world...I think there are still tons of ppl who are racist, but in my experience they are very careful with their language, and will only reveal themselves in action, not so much in the words they use.



For someone who's experienced their freedom of speech taken away from them, I can tell you that it's a freedom most people don't appreciate enough. I think the whole t-shirt is disgusting, but I believe that it's part of freedom of speech. And though racism might invoke violence, it doesn't mean that a t-shirt with a racist slogan initiates violence. People do.

The same freedom that allows for that t-shirt to exist, allows me to have 'meat is murder' on my t-shirt. Or my new favourite slogan: "Pork, the other dead animal"

Oh my god, I need a "Pork, the other dead animal" shirt. That's friggin' amazing.



Back to the topic. Yes, it's protected by free speech. That doesn't mean it's "ok," in my opinion. But there's not much I can do about it legally.



As for the use of the n- or f-word, I understand where you're coming from. I get it, but I don't get it. Women do that, too, though. We've reclaimed words like b****, slut, c**t, etc, and if a man uses them women get angry but if a woman uses them it's ok somehow. Of course I don't mean everyone - I'm certainly not in that group - but I know a lot of people who feel that way. They think it takes negative power away from the word, but it still has just as much power as ever when someone outside the group uses it, so it's not working.
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"I'm tired of being called a racist!" *Wears shirt that proclaims I'm a racist*

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What kinds of speech should be illegal? How would you like to censor it?

You posted this in response to someone simply saying that racism is not fine. Right to freedom of expression doesn't mean a right to freedom from any moral criticism by others, likewise expressed freely.

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You posted this in response to someone simply saying that racism is not fine. Right to freedom of expression doesn't mean a right to freedom from any moral criticism by others, likewise expressed freely.



I believe the person I was responding to wanted to outlaw certain speech that she personally disagreed with. There's a difference between racism and discrimination. Racism is a belief. kinda hard to legislate against a belief, no matter how stupid. If they want to wear a stupid shirt to advertise their stupid beliefs, that's OK.



Discrimination moves the issue into action. Actions that impede or take away another person's rights.



It's the difference between not liking someone and running them over with a car. Quite different in the eyes of the law.

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I believe the person I was responding to wanted to outlaw certain speech that she personally disagreed with.

Actually, I said:

I'm not saying it should be againt the law to say racist things (though maybe it should, I'm not sure), but it's far from "fine." Racism and racists are anything but "fine."

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There's a difference between racism and discrimination. Racism is a belief. kinda hard to legislate against a belief, no matter how stupid. If they want to wear a stupid shirt to advertise their stupid beliefs, that's OK.

just because something is legal does not mean it is "OK".
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Ummm no.

I'm not saying it should be againt the law to say racist things (though maybe it should, I'm not sure), but it's far from "fine." Racism and racists are anything but "fine."

I am curious what exactly on the shirt is a statement against a particular ethnic group?
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Really? You can't fathom how saying you're a racist could possibly be interpreted as racist? Really?

Considering those opposed to the Tea Party movement have labeled them racists (read some old threads on this very board) why not own the label..... so if I wear a shirt that says I am a unicorn does that make it a reality?
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American political discourse has reached such a level of dishonesty that a person can espouse a view by holding a sign, wearing a t-shirt or having a bumper sticker proclaiming that view and when confronted about it, they respond that they don't hold that view at all.



The defenders defend him by arguing that a person claiming to hold those views doesn't mean they hold those views at all.



Insane and yes, pathetic.

so those people that go around wearing Che shirts and bumper stickers openly support the mass murders he commited? By the same reasoning you promote, we could then presume that those that openly support socialism, also support the mass genocide commited under Stalin and Mao.
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This is the actual shirt:









Don't really have anything to add to the debate sorry (not American so I can't really comment on this) but I thought that seeing as the link in the OP doesn't actually have a picture of the shirt in question it might be good to have one.
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agreed

though I don't think it's as generalizable as "American discourse." I think it's specific to discourse about race.

The dishonesty and denial happens elsewhere too, but when it comes to race, it's so blatant that it's baffling. I truly don't understand how anyone can think racist tshirts are symbols of freedom or satirical political statements. How exactly do we rationalize the hurt they cause? With "freedom ain't free" BS? Is that what I'm suposed to tell my son when someone calls him the n-word?



When you get called something repeatedly because those opposed to your beliefs find it to be an easy form trying to deflect the actual debate, well after awhile you just say screw it, and if believing in the Constitution, limited gov't, etc as outlined on the back of that shirt defines me as a racist then so be it, I will own the title..... but then we have people like this:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcfymOvoUo



but the TEA Party is violent and racist..... oh yeah!
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This is the actual shirt:









Don't really have anything to add to the debate sorry (not American so I can't really comment on this) but I thought that seeing as the link in the OP doesn't actually have a picture of the shirt in question it might be good to have one.

there's a pic in the link to the news story (video)
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And once again, a list of the principles of this supposedly non-partisan and new political movement reads like a description of your average Republican politician's platform. Weird.

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Anyone else think of Clerks II and Randall's jacket?



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