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MrFalafel 03-25-2010 01:19 AM

While I can certainly appreciate that many people would embrace a conservative view of politics, why does the Republican party attract so many moonbats?





Nearly a quarter of Republicans believe the Democrat president 'may be the Antichrist', according to a survey.



An even greater number compared him to Hitler.



More than half of the Republicans quizzed by Harris Poll, 57 per cent, believed the president was secretly Muslim, something he has consistently denied.



And 67 per cent of Republicans who responded believed Obama was a socialist, despite his central leanings.






http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...tates-sue.html

Beancounter 03-25-2010 05:39 AM

While the Republican propaganda machine certainly works overtime, there will always be a finge element in any organization.



Remember, if you repeat a lie often enough, it will eventually accepted as the truth. (Even by "moderates")



Also, where was the poll conducted? You can easily skew results by polling people in certain parts of the country, if other regions are not sufficiently represented.



...and I've seen plently of "odd" people wearing blue.

MrFalafel 03-25-2010 05:46 AM

67% is a fringe element?



It's a Harris Poll of 2,230 Republicans.

Treehugger267 03-25-2010 05:56 AM

I'm very afraid of what the zellot type conservatives are doing right now. They are trying to insight someone to do something awful. It's like watching a child have a temper tantrum, but instead inserting mean spirited, scary adults into the equation.

Beancounter 03-25-2010 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MrFalafel View Post

67% is a fringe element?



It's a Harris Poll of 2,230 Republicans.



I was referring to the "antiChrist" question which was 25%. A substantial fringe, but... is 2,200 indivduals statistically valid? and were these 2.2k people sufficiently represented throughout the country, or isolated in a specific region.



Also, believing someone has a hidden agenda (socialist), or is pretending to be a religion he's not, is not really in the same "fringe" category (policians lie all of the time) as beleiving someone is the antiChrist.

MrFalafel 03-25-2010 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Beancounter View Post

I was referring to the "antiChrist" question which was 25%. A substantial fringe, but... is 2,200 indivduals statistically valid? and were these 2.2k people sufficiently represented throughout the country, or isolated in a specific region.



Also, believing someone has a hidden agenda (socialist), or is pretending to be a religion he's not, is not really in the same "fringe" category (policians lie all of the time) as beleiving someone is the antiChrist.



So you don't believe in polls? Even state of the art polling companies who've been perfecting their polling process for decades? Even polling companies who base their whole business model on producing accurate polls? I would imagine a polling company that has an yearly revenue of $184 million is doing something right. http://www.harrisinteractive.com/about/



I would accept that 67% of Republicans in that poll don't actually know what 'socialsim' really means And someone who makes a judgement call on a thing they don't actually understand is quite frightening, really. Especially if its 'most' of the Republican party.

tensai 03-25-2010 07:31 AM

I don't know why these things still surprise me so much. The absurdity of these claims make Monty Python look unimaginative and bland..

Beancounter 03-25-2010 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MrFalafel View Post

So you don't believe in polls? Even state of the art polling companies who've been perfecting their polling process for decades? Even polling companies who base their whole business model on producing accurate polls? I would imagine a polling company that has an yearly revenue of $184 million is doing something right. http://www.harrisinteractive.com/about/



I would accept that 67% of Republicans in that poll don't actually know what 'socialsim' really means And someone who makes a judgement call on a thing they don't actually understand is quite frightening, really. Especially if its 'most' of the Republican party.



The article did not provide a link to the alleged Harris Poll.



I don't recall how large a sample relative to the population has to be in order to be valid, but 2.2K as compared to the entire population of Reps seems small.

I wonder about the confidence level too.



But without a link or an explanation of how they got the data, I'm not going to take the "dailymail's" word for it.

Earthling 03-25-2010 07:37 AM

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I'm not going to take the "dailymail's" word for it.



Very, very wise.

MrFalafel 03-25-2010 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Beancounter View Post

The article did not provide a link to the alleged Harris Poll.



I don't recall how large a sample relative to the population has to be in order to be valid, but 2.2K as compared to the entire population of Reps seems small.

I wonder about the confidence level too.



But without a link or an explanation of how they got the data, I'm not going to take the "dailymail's" word for it.



The poll details will be published tomorrow. The DM and Rawstory and other bloggers are reporting on the pre-lims of the poll http://rawstory.com/2010/03/scary-ha...ay-antichrist/



I think that's an interesting trait of convervatives: instead of acknowledging any damaging information of their ilk, they will instead deny the information and pretend it doesn't exist or isn't true. A more healthy attitude may be to accept it and then set about seeking a way to rectify the situation.



What this points to is that crazed idiots have infiltrated and perhaps taken over the Republican party. I would imagine most educated Republicans would not want to have their party tarnished by idiots in their ranks.

Sevenseas 03-25-2010 07:45 AM

It seems strange to conduct a poll where you're asking whether people hold an opinion that extreme.



The article seems a bit confusing.



I don't doubt that a majority of Republicans in general believe he's a socialist, since you'd probably get the same result even from right-wingers in congress.

Kellye 03-25-2010 07:46 AM

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But without a link or an explanation of how they got the data, I'm not going to take the "dailymail's" word for it.



^ This. It's like getting your news from The National Enquirer.



I'm so tired of shrill Republicans AND Democrats, it makes my brain hurt. Americans are just ridiculous in general these days. I'm embarrassed to live here.



Quote:
I think that's an interesting trait of partisans: instead of acknowledging any damaging information of their ilk, they will instead deny the information and pretend it doesn't exist or isn't true.



Fixed that for you.

Sevenseas 03-25-2010 07:50 AM

Everyone is a partisan.

MrFalafel 03-25-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kellye View Post

^ This. It's like getting your news from The National Enquirer.



I'm so tired of shrill Republicans AND Democrats, it makes my brain hurt. Americans are just ridiculous in general these days. I'm embarrassed to live here.







Fixed that for you.



I disagree. I see it more often with people with conservative leanings.



If a poll came out that said 25% of Democrats believe in UFOs I would 1) believe the poll and 2) Try to push information skeptical of UFO to those Democrats

Kellye 03-25-2010 08:00 AM

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I disagree. I see it more often with people with conservative leanings.



Maybe you see what you want to see because it reinforces your own political bias.



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Everyone is a partisan.



What makes you say that? Almost 25% of Americans are registered independents or third party.

Sevenseas 03-25-2010 08:04 AM

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What makes you say that? Almost 25% of Americans are registered independents or third party.

Quote:
1 : a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance

Everyone manifests blind allegiance to some cause or person(s).

Kellye 03-25-2010 08:07 AM

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Everyone manifests blind allegiance to some cause or person(s).



I can't think of a single party, faction, or cause that I am partisan to, but I can think of people for whom I hold an unwavering loyalty in the face of their flaws. I don't really consider that as the same thing we're talking about here.

peacefulveglady 03-25-2010 08:15 AM

I been through all of this mess a year and half ago and around the election and still looming around me. I even heard it preached at our churches they he is not the anti christ. This is something people needs to not believe. This is also was the start of my different political and faith views and beliefs.

MrFalafel 03-25-2010 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kellye View Post

Maybe you see what you want to see because it reinforces your own political bias.







.



But the 'denial' trait really has nothing to do with politics so therefore my observations of this trait are not politically motivated.

Sevenseas 03-25-2010 08:16 AM

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I can't think of a single party, faction, or cause that I am partisan to

Heh. I don't find it very surprising that you don't see yourself in that way. How often do you think people are the best judges of their own prejudice and dogmatism?



In general, I think declaring oneself as a critical thinker free from partisan bias is the first sign that one is quite far from it.

Fromper 03-25-2010 08:41 AM

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In general, I think declaring oneself as a critical thinker free from partisan bias is the first sign that one is quite far from it.



Spoken like a true AR partisan.



--Fromper


Kellye 03-25-2010 08:49 AM

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In general, I think declaring oneself as a critical thinker free from partisan bias is the first sign that one is quite far from it



Ouch. Somebody's a little cynical this morning.

Yamato 03-25-2010 09:30 AM

Results of Harris poll:




MrFalafel 03-25-2010 09:33 AM


Sevenseas 03-25-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fromper View Post

Spoken like a true AR partisan.

I am indeed partial to the AR side of things, and to various "left-leaning" views. I recognize being open to different views and opposite information as a worthy goal, but I wouldn't deny I approach issues with a firmly established system of values and beliefs that will not just guide but restrict how I interpret arguments and facts.

Fromper 03-25-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sevenseas View Post

I am indeed partial to the AR side of things, and to various "left-leaning" views. I try to be open to different views and opposite information, but I wouldn't say I don't approach issues with a firmly establishes system of values and beliefs that will not just guide but restrict how I view arguments and facts.



Hmm... your response is way too serious. I should have included a smiley on my previous post, as an aid for the sarcasm impaired.



--Fromper


Sevenseas 03-25-2010 09:56 AM

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Hmm... your response is way too serious.

Not true. If you read my post backwards, you'll notice a joke involving bodily secretions, high velocity and Tom Cruise's face.

Beancounter 03-25-2010 10:13 AM

Ok, assuming MSNBC is a realiable source...



For about a decade, I was an active particpant in Harris Polls. (Via the internet)



Every couple of weeks, they would send me a request to particiapte in a new poll.



I particiapted in the polls I was very interested in and passed by the ones I had little or no interest in.



My guess is that most people are the same way. If they have a strong opinion about something, they are more likely to take the survey, and that in and of itself is enough to skew results.

Sevenseas 03-25-2010 10:27 AM

I wonder if a particular question is asked so that there are various degrees, such as "1: I disagree with Obama's policies, 2: I think Obama is dangerous for our country 3: I think Obama is Hitler", or if the question is asked in the form of "Obama is Hitler 1: Yes 2: No". I imagine the results are different when, as in the latter version, the question itself is controversial and suggestive.

DgyJff 03-25-2010 10:44 AM

I think it would be AWESOME if Obama came out that he was Muslim. Since, as we all know, the church and state are two separate matters.


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