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#1 Old 01-13-2010, 12:55 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/wo...14beijing.html

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BEIJING Google said Tuesday that it would stop cooperating with Chinese Internet censorship and consider shutting down its operations in the country altogether, citing assaults from hackers on its computer systems and Chinas attempts to limit free speech on the Web.



The move, if followed through, would be a highly unusual rebuke of China by one of the largest and most admired technology companies, which had for years coveted Chinas 300 million Web users.



Since arriving here in 2006 under an arrangement with the government that purged its Chinese search results of banned topics, Google has come under fire for abetting a system that increasingly restricts what citizens can read online.



maybe their "don't be evil" mission statement has some teeth afterall.


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Yeah. IS and I were just watching a report about this on the news this morning. Good for them, for finally finding their cahones, it seems!

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I'd like to see them remove the filters and stay in China if possible. Not likely I suppose.
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I'd like to see what happens AFTER this happens, if it does. How will China explain it? Will anyone else stand up, like Google?



The internet has made life so interesting, it seems.



Apparently no one can make phonecalls out of Haiti, but people are using facebook and twitter to communicate with people.



how about dem apples?



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Google may not be putting as much on the line as you might think. They're still a relatively minor player in China.



http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_9155882.htm
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Google may not be putting as much on the line as you might think. They're still a relatively minor player in China.



http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_9155882.htm



Google is such a big respected name on the Internet, that it still says something that they are posturing in such a way.

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A 30ish percent share is nothing to sneeze at. If they get their asses kicked out of China, there's a not insignificant loss of ad revenue to be had. Agreed though, that the symbolic gesture is more important, perhaps.

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How will China explain it?

my guess

1. china already censors talk of censorship (serious).

2. we only filter porn. google people must be wild fans of the photography of Edison Chen



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Google may not be putting as much on the line as you might think. They're still a relatively minor player in China.



http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_9155882.htm

PRAVDA



try some other sources

http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/go...ese-reactions/

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Baidu is a puppet , Google finally rises up/stands up!


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From what I've read, Google's reaction has less to do with Chinese censorship and more with the fact that someone in China hacked into Google. The attack is pretty sophisticated and looks like it may have come from the Chinese government. The whole issue brought this image to mind...



Jules: Does Google look like a *****?

China: What?

[Jules shoots China in shoulder]

Jules: DOES HE LOOK LIKE A *****?

China: No!

Jules: Then why you try to **** him like a *****, China?

China: I didn't.

Jules: Yes you did. Yes you did, China. You tried to **** him. And Google don't like to be ****ed by anybody, except Mrs. Google.
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Jules: Does Google look like a *****?

China: What?

[Jules shoots China in shoulder]

Jules: DOES HE LOOK LIKE A *****?

China: No!

Jules: Then why you try to **** him like a *****, China?

China: I didn't.

Jules: Yes you did. Yes you did, China. You tried to **** him. And Google don't like to be ****ed by anybody, except Mrs. Google.



^ That is awesome.
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my guess

2. we only filter porn. google people must be wild fans of the photography of Edison Chen



seeing as Asian porn is super popular in America, i guess that argument could fly :/



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PRAVADA



excellent bar, we need to go there together and get white russians and talk semantics.



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The attack is pretty sophisticated and looks like it may have come from the Chinese government. The whole issue brought this image to mind...



oops



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Jules: Does Google look like a *****?

China: What?

[Jules shoots China in shoulder]

Jules: DOES HE LOOK LIKE A *****?

China: No!

Jules: Then why you try to **** him like a *****, China?

China: I didn't.

Jules: Yes you did. Yes you did, China. You tried to **** him. And Google don't like to be ****ed by anybody, except Mrs. Google.



and to think i didn't do that for hallow mass this year

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lots of people in China are pretty savvy regarding getting over the Great Firewall and it annoys them that the government tries to block their access to some sites. I think that in the long run what will happen is that this too shall pass and the net will eventually be open in China. but, for now its mind games with the uptight leaders.
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lots of people in China are pretty savvy regarding getting over the Great Firewall and it annoys them that the government tries to block their access to some sites. I think that in the long run what will happen is that this too shall pass and the net will eventually be open in China. but, for now its mind games with the uptight leaders.



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The Olympic organizers should have held the Chinese government to their agreements.



It is possible to bypass the internet censors in China and that past time has become kind of a black market business there. but, the government goes to great lengths to attempt to keep Chinese from getting to certain sites and it is successful most of the time because most people don't have the time or inclination to go thru what one must do to beat them and most don't even know that their net access is being censored. what an authoritarian regime fears most is the flow of information and knowledge. in time the torrent of ideas and information available on the net will swamp the government's attempts to keep its finger in the dyke.



there's two seemingly contradictory depictions of how chinese people view internet censorship. it has to do with state security's pragmatic strategy of focusing on materials available in simplified chinese characters. someone with good computer and foreign language skills is going to notice. chinese nationalism is quite potent, causing less cosmopolitan chinese to be quite skeptical of foreign media and companies. it's a strategy that prevents rebellion when the CPC can manipulate the power of chinese nationalism and rely on a language and literacy barrier.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB3000...501346056.html

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Even more likely, hacking could be Beijing's way of extorting corporate compliance with its other goals. That's why Google's tactic of thumbing its nose at China's censorship rules is at least inspired gamesmanship. Message to China: You have something to lose too.



It's also why the response of other companies has been worrisome in its wussiness. Motorola is widely named in the press as having been hacked by Chinese operatives in the same incident as Google. Motorola's response? "Motorola is committed to offering the most innovative mobile products and experiences in China."



If China's hacking is essentially a power play, silence is the wrong answer. In the early 1990s, the world studiously ignored evidence that China's military was behind much of the piracy in the vital trade lanes of the South China Sea. The parallel is a close one, because China's motive appeared to be an assertion of sovereignty as much as a grab for booty.



Hong Kong, still a British possession at the time, bravely collected the evidence, including serial numbers of Chinese patrol boats involved in the attacks. But it was allowed to present its findings only orally to the U.N. International Maritime Organization—because a written report would have required the agency to acknowledge the information and act on it.



Nobody wanted to know because nobody knew how to do deal with Chinese state-sponsored piracy, though it turned out the best way to deal with it was simply to advertise what was known about China's participation in piracy.

fake CCTV interviews slandering chinese GooGuh, hacking servers if there could be some united front that will call them out on it and say this is what a modern free internet is then that does send a powerful signal to the people of china and iran, etc.

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they aren't contradictory Snarkmeister. both are opinions based upon what I know from speaking to people in China and from what I have read too. a lot of people don't know much about the censorship. those that do often try to circumvent it. the point I was making in my post was that I think that eventually the government is going to throw in the towel on net censorship. I am not talking about it happening tomorrow, but eventually I am pretty sure that it will become more trouble than it is worth. I think the government will change because the expectations of the people in China will change. but these are long run predictions, not calls about what to expect in the immediate future. for now the leaders will try to censor and the more savvy will try to break through the Great Firewall. there will be much noise out of the government and yeah they will manipulate and pontificate and obfuscate. it's what they do.
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no, grasshopper they aren't contradictory. "seemingly contradictory" because of state security's strategy in censorship that targets materials that could get a big audience while the people with foreign language and computer skills slide by.

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there's a NPR interview on related issues of cybercrime including hackers as instruments of state policy. one expert flatly saying yes this is definately the work of the chinese government.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=122958695

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

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Google's decision to stop censoring searches on its China-based servers, rerouting search requests instead to its uncensored Hong Kong facilities, is historic. Google has shown itself unwilling simply to be on the receiving end of whatever Beijing dishes outand highlighted the growing importance of Hong Kong and Taiwan in shaping the decisions that foreign businesses in China must make.



When an enterprise of Google's global dimensions and visibility reverses course in China and is no longer a passive, compliant subject of government diktats, it sends a message to enterprises world-wide: You can do the same. Submissive participation in the mainland Chinese market is neither inevitable nor unavoidable. Do not fear to assert your interests, and those of your present and potential Chinese customers.


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