Athiests don't believe in any God at all. What difference does it make to them what other's believe?
When the state treats different groups of citizens with different levels of respect and esteem, it makes a profound difference to those it discriminates against. When the state believes that you are saved, and I am going to hell, and it indoctrinates children to believe the same, I am being relegated to a second class citizenship status.
How would you feel if they stamped Allah Ackbar on the coins and every courthouse had the phrase "There is No God But God And Mohammad is His Prophet" on their doors? Pretty alienated or would it make no difference to you?
I believe in keeping "Christian" things in our govenment buildings because our founding fathers were Christian.
I'm sorry but that's just utterly false. Most of our "founding fathers" including the most famous ones were not Christian, they were overwhelming Deists and Unitarians. They believed in a non-interventionist, non-worldly, non-personal naturalistic "clockmaker god;" if they knew about darwinian evolution and the big bang theory they probably would have been atheists (why there are nearly no Deists today: we can explain what they couldn't):http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.htmlhttp://www.sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/
The Constitution contains no references to God, and the Declaration of Independence refers to a non-specific 'Creator' and 'Natures God' and never to Jesus, Christianity or the god of the bible (which is more consistent with Deism than Christianity).
Evangelical Christianity is a new thing
But even if it wasn't, even if you want to deny historical reality and pretend the "founding fathers" were Christians, they participated in and presided over one of the most brutal slave societies in history, oppressed women, and commit genocide on the largest scale against the Native Americans. Why should the contemporary state endorse their reactionary 18th century values?
IF you're anti-christian, hey, more power to you but take your religious hate elsewhere. Got sit with your friends and discuss how dumb religeon is or whatever they do.
Comments like this are demeaning and insulting. What if we said "go sit with your friends and pray and discuss how sinful gays and abortion and atheists are." That would be prejudicial. So were you.
I mean, no one is being hurt or injured because there's a Christmas tree just before Christmas.
No one is being hurt or injured because there is an atheist sign, not physically. And having a Christmas celebration organized by the state hurts us equally in non-physical ways. How would you feel if there was no Christmas celebration but the state house recognized Ramadan and celebrated Eid?
I still don't get why a person who is an admitted Athiest, who believes in no higher power, would really care what religeous things he/she walked past enough to be a tard and hang a sign up in an attempt to destroy someone's Christmas?
Its not an attempt to "destroy someone's christmas" but to assert that we too exist, we too have civil rights and we demand respect.
If you think an atheist sign destroys your christmas say that your christmas tree destroys my atheist vacation and the secular integrity of the building that represents the very seat of the state. Our state, that is supposed to represent us as much as it does you.
Originally Posted by LiveVegan
As far as....ATHIESTS, they don't have a religion. So how can they be called a religion and have equal rights of religion when they have no religion. That doesn't make sense.
We don't have an organized religion, but we certainly have religious beliefs, specifically that there is no god. We have beliefs about all religious questions, we just answer them differently. Freedom of religion necessarily entails freedom from others religion and freedom to deny their religious beliefs. All organized religions deny other organized religions beliefs, and they all demand freedom from those beliefs they hold to be false; so do we.