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#151 Old 10-09-2009, 12:56 PM
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No, it's about your attitude



Me being appalled at the "celebration" is not an attitude, its an opinion
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#152 Old 10-09-2009, 01:07 PM
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since he never did, I guess we will never know.



Thats why i said do you "think". But thats cool, you can ignore it
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Kenickie, the Wikipedia article has some references to the religious aspects: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...(United_States). I don't mean that it's celebrated that way *now* (although it's definitely a part of most family celebrations in the conservative Midwest where I grew up), just that it's historically associated with giving thanks to God.

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#154 Old 10-09-2009, 02:28 PM
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Kenickie, the Wikipedia article has some references to the religious aspects: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...(United_States). I don't mean that it's celebrated that way *now* (although it's definitely a part of most family celebrations in the conservative Midwest where I grew up), just that it's historically associated with giving thanks to God.



wait...i think i said that there are religious aspects to thanksgiving?

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My original response in this vein was to say that I don't think the holiday was introduced as a way of assuaging white guilt. The religious part only came into it, because that's what I see as the primary focus for the early years (say pre-20th Century) of Thanksgiving's existence.

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My original response in this vein was to say that I don't think the holiday was introduced as a way of assuaging white guilt. The religious part only came into it, because that's what I see as the primary focus for the early years (say pre-20th Century) of Thanksgiving's existence.



oh i see what you are saying.

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Kenickie, the Wikipedia article has some references to the religious aspects: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...(United_States). I don't mean that it's celebrated that way *now* (although it's definitely a part of most family celebrations in the conservative Midwest where I grew up), just that it's historically associated with giving thanks to God.



For plenty of people, Memorial Day, the 4th of July, and Labor Day also involve some prayers, etc. I can't think of any national holidays that, for at least some significant number of people, don't include any religious aspects.
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For plenty of people, Memorial Day, the 4th of July, and Labor Day also involve some prayers, etc. I can't think of any national holidays that, for at least some significant number of people, don't include any religious aspects.



New Years Day?

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New Years Day?



"Dear God, please make this hangover go away. I promise to never drink champagne again, if you could just make the pain stop. In Jesus' name, Amen"

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"Dear God, please make this hangover go away. I promise to never drink champagne again, if you could just make the pain stop. In Jesus' name, Amen"




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"Dear God, please make this hangover go away. I promise to never drink champagne again, if you could just make the pain stop. In Jesus' name, Amen"



blarg you can drink engough champsgne to get a hangover? For me its one drink at most for a toast then its back to the scotch. Never could stomach the stuff.
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Champagne nights were always "two or three bottles of the good stuff (Freixenet - $15) for me, and Andre for everyone else."

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New Years Day?



Nope. Plenty of churches, protestant and catholic, hold special New Years Eve services.
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Yep. Back in my more religious days, we spent nearly every NY Eve with other Christians, and had some midnight prayers, etc.



Part of my point re: Thanksgiving was that giving thanks to God was one of the primary purposes of the holiday though. (hence the name) I don't think the same can be said about Independence Day, et. al. However, I didn't really mean to start an argument about the religious nature of Thanksgiving. My comment, again, was to refute the suggestion that it was a holiday planned to deal with white man's guilt over slaughter of Native Americans, etc.

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I disagree, I was raised Catholic and we never had a Thanksgiving Mass.



The holiday in and of itself has nothing to do with religion, giving thanks for a bountiful harvest, or even the food on the table at night has little to do with religion as a practice.



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For plenty of people, Memorial Day, the 4th of July, and Labor Day also involve some prayers, etc. I can't think of any national holidays that, for at least some significant number of people, don't include any religious aspects.



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New Years Day?



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Nope. Plenty of churches, protestant and catholic, hold special New Years Eve services.



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Yep. Back in my more religious days, we spent nearly every NY Eve with other Christians, and had some midnight prayers, etc.



New Year's Day is a Holy Day of Obligation (Mary, Mother of God or the Solemnity of Mary). I believe there are six H. D. of O.



Thanksgiving is not one of them, but all of the Catholic parishes that I know of offer a mass on Thanksgiving Day for anyone who wants to attend.
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