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#1 Old 06-16-2008, 02:14 PM
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Hi guys, I got a fantastic book on Friday called 'Ghosts Caught on Film' which is basically just a collection of ghosts photographs, their veracity are examined, many of them can be disproved, i.e double exposure on the film, deliberate hoax etc. however a suprisingly large amount remain unexplained, it's very compelling stuff here's a view of the photos



This was taken by a vicar in the 1950s when photographing his alter. This bizarre, freakishly tall monk like figure appeared on one of the photographs



http://www.moftu.com/wp-content/uplo...nk-300x292.jpg



This after a lady came home from her mothers grave & took a picture of her husband in an otherwise empty car, she recognised her mums glasses in the back seat & then saw her face



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And a journalist taking a picture of Wem Townhall in England after a fire in the 90s saw a girl when the photos were developed, a young girl started a fire there in the 17th century & died in it



http://www.ghostpictures.cc/pics/gho...g-building.jpg



Just a small example of some which were definitely genuine photos, such an interesting book, it just jumped out at me in the bookshop, spooky
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That sounds like a fascinating book! The first photo seriously freaks me out!
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I love these things! I might have to check out that book.
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Hm. I was just wondering the other day whether the advent of digital photography would have an impact on stuff like Kirlian photography and ghost photos.

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I love these things! I might have to check out that book.



me too....awesome
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The first one looks fake... You know it looks like the scream guy...
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Hm. I was just wondering the other day whether the advent of digital photography would have an impact on stuff like Kirlian photography and ghost photos.



Sensibility of Film is usually on Visible Light and UV band.

But sensibility of CCD(silicon) is usually on Visible Light and Infra red band.

So both photography usually capture slight different spectrum except visible light.
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Yeah it's a great book, I've been glued to it! The author's name is Dr. Melvyn Willin if any of you want to get hold of a copy.



Digital photography definitely has an impact, it's quite easy to doctor photos now but most of those examined in this are pre digital! The monk does look like the scream guy but the photo is genuine & has been in the public domain since the 50s.
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Really interested in that stuff too, will have to have a look at the book.

I have actually seen the two older photos a few times before.
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With long exposure times, can't you just have someone stand in a place for a moment or so to give the impression of translucency?
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Yeah possibly, in the case of the monk however, it was just a vicar in a new parish taking pictures of the church,with absolutely no motive for creating a hoax, as for the other two they aren't really transparent. In the case of the little girl, that building had been completely gutted by a fire & the journalist was only allowed to take a picture with a long lense from across the street, no one was permitted to enter the building in case of structural collapse.



Personally, I'm pretty open minded but some of them are pretty difficult to argue against......
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With long exposure times, can't you just have someone stand in a place for a moment or so to give the impression of translucency?



Of course not, it's also impossible for me to photoshop this image of Jack Skellington visiting the State Fair.



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Of course not, it's also impossible for me to photoshop this image of Jack Skellington visiting the State Fair.












Jack Skellington is real! But seriously, I am skeptical about ghost pictures. I guess I'm the kind of person who has to experience it in real life in order to believe it. I might get my chance real soon though! I'll be staying at a haunted hotel in July when I go to Portland.
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I'm not sure how I feel about ghosts. Lincoln is one example who has been brought up a lot, but people are more likely to see something if they've heard a rumor countless times so I'm not sure what to believe about that. I'll look at the links later.
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Wow, a real life photograph of Jack the Pumpkin King!



A haunted hotel, sounds fantastic, let us know if you see any ghosts!



I'll find some more of the best images, with genuine stories & post them when I get the chance, although I am open minded some of it is soooo convincing & it's compelling stuff whether you believe it or not.
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The first picture is a little creepy, but how do you even know that the second and third pictures are ghosts?
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@ the Pumpkin King visiting the state fair. That's funny



We're going to my friends really old farm house soon and she has taken numerous pictures of what look like "orbs" floating around the house. They're pretty freaky. I also have this friend that whenever I photograph her, she has odd lights and halos around her. It's spooky but I don't think anything of it.
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Photoshop is your friend
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Today it is! The posted 3 were taken and published long before photoshop. Not saying they are definitely genuine but lasting this long without being totally debunked is impressive
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I've seen these pictures before. I LOVE paranormal stuff (obviously, I'm an X-Phile) and actually almost bought that book a few months ago.
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Today it is! The posted 3 were taken and published long before photoshop. Not saying they are definitely genuine but lasting this long without being totally debunked is impressive

I can vouch for the fact of having seen the first 2 in books published in the 70s.
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The second one looks like its just a trick of the light. We're dealing with low quality black-and-white photography here and I can guarantee you that you will always find patters in something like that, human brains are really good at finding apparent patterns where there aren't any (hence all those Jesuses appearing on tortillas). In fact the "face is so indistinct and hard to make out that it took me quite a while to find it even when I knew roughly what I was looking for.



I'd be willing to bet that the third one is a smoke plume, or at least the "head" is. The way smoke looks and behaves allows you to see pretty much anything in it (like the many people who saw the face of Satan in the smoke coming from the World Trade Center).



The first one does look like its genuinely "authentic" in the sense that it isn't a trick of the light or just some weird pattern that vaguely resembles something, but personally I'd put my money on it being some sort of hoax.



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Yeah possibly, in the case of the monk however, it was just a vicar in a new parish taking pictures of the church,with absolutely no motive for creating a hoax

Other than say, attracting people to his church, certain amount of fame, or generally just to be interesting or even to make fun of people. There are plenty of motives for something like this.



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Today it is! The posted 3 were taken and published long before photoshop. Not saying they are definitely genuine but lasting this long without being totally debunked is impressive

It's precisely because there was no photoshop back then that these things were seen as believable. Most people simply didn't understand how photographic film could be manipulated to produce images like this. And I think its pretty much impossible to totally debunk something like this, unless you get a confession from photographer that he deliberately manipulated the photo or an eyewitness account that the "girl" was in fact just a plume of smoke, or unless someone finds a really obvious sign of manipulation (not likely unless its something totally obvious like Stalin's earliest attempts where he just had people removed from photographs leaving a gaping hole. He'd get a lot better at this later on). There will always be people who believe in it, and quite honestly, there's no way you can convince them.



Sorry, I'm just extremely skeptical when it comes to anything super-natural
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Maybe this is a bad example, but the "witch" in Wizard of Oz melted. Doesn't this show they had the ability to doctor things long before the 1970's?
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Fascinating topic, you may want to check out the following site:



http://www.ghoststory.co.uk/paranorm...videoclip.html





I remember one of the photos from when I was a kid and hugely interested in the paranormal. It was taken in the 50s and is of a woman in a car, apparently taken by her husband. There is a ghostly apparition in the back seat, which was believed to be the woman's mother who had recently died. It really creeped me out and still does, I hadn't seen it for years until now.
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I'll be staying at a haunted hotel in July when I go to Portland.



I stayed at a haunted house in Scotland known as the Ballachulish House.



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Ballachulish House is said to be haunted by the ghost of a Stewart of Appin who gallops up to the house. dismounts and vanishes as he reaches the doorway. On the road leading to the house, the inexplicable sound of horses hooves have been heard many times. Another phantom connected to the house is that of a tinker who can been seen nearby the gate of the house on autumn evenings.



My dad freaked out overnight, but that was probably one the better nights of sleep I ever got in Scotland.
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One of our teachers dd a chapel presentation on this sort of thing, and it completely freaked everyone out. We saw those photos and a few more that had no explanation, like a picture of two boys that was taken, but it came out with one boy missing, and the other boy in the picture three times (this was way before photoshop and digital photography). That boy died three days after the photo was taken. There was another one of a girl standing with her mother. except that her mother died about three years before the photo was taken.



There was also a few photos which did have explanations. There was one that was similar to that first one, with a myserious figure semi-invisible in a church. it turned out that the camera was set up and left so it could take the photo (a very old camera that takes like an hour) and the cleaner had come in and cleaned the alter and gone away.



There was another that was a woman in a graveyard, which was actually a cloud of midges over a drain, and another of fairies that were cardboard cut outs (everyone fell for this one and thought they were real for years until the photographer confessed that he had to use cut outs as the real fairies were too shy to have their photo taken)



People say that my school is haunted. In one of the boarding houses people have seen a ghost of a womans torso and head. they say that was because she died when there was a fire, and then the building was rebuilt so the floor is now higher up. she is walking around on where the floor used to be, so only her upper body can be seen.

There was another ghost that pushed someone off their bike in the middle of the night a few years ago. The boy was cycling back to the house after sneaking out a window at night, and along the school drive (which has a field on one side and the cricket pitches on another) when someone pushed him off his bike. He looked around and there was no one their, and no hiding places so it scared the living daylights out of him. He cycled back to the house, and ran to the house masters flat and explained everything, an absolute terrified wreck. Then he was expelled for bieng outside after close time. He must have been pretty scared to admit that he was breaking the rules.
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this is the cleaner one
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i believe in ghosts and the paranormal, but if a ghost is a spirit without its earthly body, then how would a body image show up on film? i always wondered that..
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Yeah I saw the image of the church in the book as well, although it did say that it wasn't conclusively proven to be a cleaner. Also the same boy appearing three times in a photo taken three days before he died (wearing the clothes he was knocked down in) That was pretty bizarre.



Scary stories about your school aswell Luv4sheep, a few of us always thought our school was haunted, it was there for centuries and used to be an all boys school, there was definitely a heaviness in the air in the older parts, pretty freaky place!



Good point Satya but some people say ghosts are just imprints of peoples energies, so if they had a particular attachment to a place/person their energies might manifest themselves in that way. I'm still not sure either way when it comes to ghosts but some of these photos are difficult to explain away, as for the need for people to recognise human faces in images (as mentioned by Lazarus) I can understand that to an extent but the two examples of the face in the car & the girl in the building are just to clear to be explained in that way.



Your link didn't work for me Jon_Veggie, but I googled the site & it's great, thanks for that.
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