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Remember, if the gun hadn't been there it wouldn't have changed anything. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm sure the older brother would have killed the younger brother with his bare hands or a fork if he didn't have access to a gun.



The mother needs to spend some time in a prison cell.
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Remember, if the gun hadn't been there it wouldn't have changed anything. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm sure the older brother would have killed the younger brother with his spare hands or a fork if he didn't have access to a gun.



The mother needs to spend some time in a prison cell.



I agree! Parents who have guns need to take every measure necessary to make sure those kids don't have any access to it all.



Sounds like mom should try to find out why her four old is so angry. CPS removed him from the home. He's with his grandmother now. Maybe it's for the best.
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That is so sad. That picture of the little boy in his jammies with paper bags over his hands just really disturbed me. I hope the 2 year old will be okay.
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Oh lord, what kind of mother leaves loaded guns lying around for her kids to play with?

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Remember, if the gun hadn't been there it wouldn't have changed anything. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I'm sure the older brother would have killed the younger brother with his spare hands or a fork if he didn't have access to a gun.



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Remember, if the gun hadn't been there it wouldn't have changed anything. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.



I was thinking the same thing.
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Oh lord, what kind of mother leaves loaded guns lying around for her kids to play with?



Maybe her brother is the guy who got shot by his cat.



Ugh. What a waste.

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Guns don't kill people, people kill people.



In the words of Eddie Izzard... "I think the gun helps. It's not just that loud noise they make, you know."
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This is why I have always said, "If you're going to let the kids play with your guns, make sure they're not loaded!"







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In the words of Eddie Izzard... "I think the gun helps. It's not just that loud noise they make, you know."



This is why I love 'im.

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I'm sure the older brother would have killed the younger brother with his bare hands or a fork if he didn't have access to a gun.



I hope you are kidding about this part. Hes 4......







Mom should go to jail for a long time for being so stupid as to leave a gun in her purse.



Those poor kids.....
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Remilard was being sarcastic.
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Just a bit ironic that the gun was purchased to protect her and her family.



Goes to show that the guns don't need to be obtained illegally to get into the wrong hands.



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I hope you are kidding about this part. Hes 4......



I was questioning it myself for a bit too. It's funny when you think about it though, cause the argument is so rediculous, but people actually use it to advocate gun ownership. heh.
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yeah i know. its sad....
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OMG, what a tragedy!



I admit I'm pretty suspicious that the mom says that day was the ONE day she hadn't secured the gun. The kid knew right were to find it, so it must have been there often.



Those poor kids...
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I know - even if the little one comes out of this O.K., can you imagine the issues both of these boys will have?
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This saddens my heart.



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why, oh why, did I click on that link?! I can't handle stories like this. I can't help thinking about my own little boy.



What an enormous tragedy. This just affirms my decision to never, ever, ever allow a firearm of any kind in my home.
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The idea of guns being used for protection is a joke. If the gun hadn't been there the kid wouldn't have shot his brother.



There is nothing safe or protected about a household that has a weapon in that could kill somebody.
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Pro gun folks always say 'guns should be kept under lock and key, especially in houses with children'. Well, if the point of keeping the gun is for 'home security' then doesn't keeping it under lock and key defeat this purpose?



'Excuse me, Mr Home Intruder, please give me a minute to find my keys, unlock my gun and take careful aim at you. Thanks'.
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One of the scariest moments I've had working with children was hearing a 4 year old describe to his buddies during a playground "well my dad...." contest, the exact location of his father's handgun and keys to said gun.



We let his mom know (they were separated) and she said that she didn't know anything about Dad having a gun, but she'd check. Sure enough, gun was in a lockbox right where the kid said (under the couch). Keys were in dad's desk drawer.




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I know - even if the little one comes out of this O.K., can you imagine the issues both of these boys will have?



There was a guy in my hometown that shot his little brother. The little brother in that case died. He was one of my brother's good friends and yeah the guy was the saddest guy that Ive ever met. He had a lot of issues that his family never really dealth with. It was the thing that nobody talked about.
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Pro gun folks always say 'guns should be kept under lock and key, especially in houses with children'. Well, if the point of keeping the gun is for 'home security' then doesn't keeping it under lock and key defeat this purpose?



'Excuse me, Mr Home Intruder, please give me a minute to find my keys, unlock my gun and take careful aim at you. Thanks'.

(Emphasis added.)



It seems to me the same considerations apply to having to rummage through a purse to find a gun.



Both the woman in this story and the guy in the "shot-by-cat" story would have been a lot better off if they had had some sort of holster and kept the guns on their persons.
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Both the woman in this story and the guy in the "shot-by-cat" story would have been a lot better off if they had had some sort of holster and kept the guns on their persons.



It sounds like they would have been a lot better off without guns at all.
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