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#31 Old 06-23-2015, 03:01 AM
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If I don't eat, someone else will. So I might as well as.
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#32 Old 06-24-2015, 01:47 PM
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I'm going out on a limb here with one of my own erroneous beliefs.

I think the one I was most concerned with (before I went veg*n) was that it was some sort of covert eating disorder. Not entirely irrational on my part as I've had disordered eating habits on and off my whole life (but hey my grandmother went through phases of binge and purge and my mother basically starved herself to stay slim - so I didn't exactly have the best start there).

But yeah, I really believed that being vegan especially was a cover for anorexia. Which now of course (when I'm finally able to maintain a steady weight despite not eating meat and not drinking milk and not having much cheese or eggs) seems utterly idiotic.
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I'm going out on a limb here with one of my own erroneous beliefs.

I think the one I was most concerned with (before I went veg*n) was that it was some sort of covert eating disorder. Not entirely irrational on my part as I've had disordered eating habits on and off my whole life (but hey my grandmother went through phases of binge and purge and my mother basically starved herself to stay slim - so I didn't exactly have the best start there).

But yeah, I really believed that being vegan especially was a cover for anorexia. Which now of course (when I'm finally able to maintain a steady weight despite not eating meat and not drinking milk and not having much cheese or eggs) seems utterly idiotic.
Actually quite a few anorexics use veganism as a cover for anorexia. I learned this a while ago, and do not have any such eating disorders, but there ya go.

If anything, I binge eat when stressed, and am more likely to over indulge than restrict my calories. So I am on the complete other end of that spectrum.
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Actually quite a few anorexics use veganism as a cover for anorexia. I learned this a while ago, and do not have any such eating disorders, but there ya go.

If anything, I binge eat when stressed, and am more likely to over indulge than restrict my calories. So I am on the complete other end of that spectrum.
I know that some anorexics are vegan but I genuinely thought all veganism was anorexia (I even harboured deep suspicions about vegetarians). Which serves to illustrate the dangers of inferring causality from a few isolated incidents - I can only blame my youth for this.
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"Cows produce milk year round, they don't have to be pregnant/nursing. If we don't milk them they'll explode."

Some cows do lactate without giving birth but it's hardly enough to even feed a calf.
Yeah I have been told that if we didn't milk cows they would live in constant pain, as the milk would continue to build and they cant relieve themselves.
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#36 Old 06-26-2015, 08:41 AM
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If I don't eat, someone else will. So I might as well as.
I have heard this so many times too! Crazy no?

Unfortunately this is so completely illogical. It is like saying (in Nazi Germany): "If I don't kill this Jew/ communist/ homosexual/ gypsy/ learning disabled/ mentally ill person someone else will so it's ok for me to do it."

Just because someone else will do it if you don't doesn't make it ok at all!
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#37 Old 06-26-2015, 09:14 AM
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When asked why I dont eat the meat already prepared at the grocery store, "its already dead!" I respond that I'd "rather support veggie products and veggie companies"
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If I don't eat, someone else will. So I might as well as.
So someone else will eat the thousands of hamburgers we don't eat?

My usual answer: I have never heard a convincing reason to eat meat.
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"Why do you deprive yourself of good food? "
That's the one I hear a lot! I don't understand how flesh of an animal that has been killed is soooooooo good? It isn't really good for you, doesn't taste that great and morally it's NOT GOOD. I usually just sit there, raised eye brows being like "but tomatoes are good food...sooooo?"
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That's the one I hear a lot! I don't understand how flesh of an animal that has been killed is soooooooo good? It isn't really good for you, doesn't taste that great and morally it's NOT GOOD. I usually just sit there, raised eye brows being like "but tomatoes are good food...sooooo?"
Exactly! Or when people say that vegan food is bland and tasteless, I think "you must be a terrible cook." I'm not exactly a master chef, and even I can make a delicious pot of spaghetti with garlic and tomatoes!
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I've heard this one from members of the macho-bro crowd....

"Veganism is for women.
Real men eat meat."
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#43 Old 07-01-2015, 10:11 AM
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On the ED angle, the entire concept of avoidence of specific foods has been medicalized with a made up scary name: orthorexia. Google offers this definition

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an obsession with eating foods that one considers healthy.

a medical condition in which the sufferer systematically avoids specific foods in the belief that they are harmful.

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On the ED angle, the entire concept of avoidence of specific foods has been medicalized with a made up scary name: orthorexia. Google offers this definition
To be fair to the medicos, orthorexia (which is not an officially recognized psychological condition) refers to the pathological obsession with eating healthy, not just an interest in eating healthy.
That really could be a problem for some people.
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The argument I have been seeing constantly lately is "but lions and tigers eat meat!"
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The argument I have been seeing constantly lately is "but lions and tigers eat meat!"
I can't believe there is still people who don't have mirrors at home.
Funny how people always compare themselves to carnivore species. They never compare themselves to herbivore species, nor even omnivore species.
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"But I could NEVER live without ______ !" <<<(insert food obsession of choice)

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"But I could NEVER live without ______ !"
That right there, that's one of the most common statements, or its cousin statement "But I'll DIE if I don't eat ______". The problem is communication doesn't seem logical anymore, both the above sentences are factually incorrect when it comes to real world.. its indeed possible to live & live healthier without meat. However if its the taste people are addicted to then that's a whole different thing and has to be expressed as so.

For a lot of years now, people saying illogical things and boasting about them seems to produce shock value & colour to their personality. It gives them a renegade/nihilistic identity & at the same time they also want to conform to what the majority of the world does. Human beings have a mean streak in them which simply cannot go away, I suppose its genetically coded via the reptilian cortex. This can be the only reason why people go against logic most of the time & boast about it as well.
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I can't believe there is still people who don't have mirrors at home.
Funny how people always compare themselves to carnivore species. They never compare themselves to herbivore species, nor even omnivore species.
Yeah its amazing how many people compare themselves to carnivores when humans don't have super sharp teeth or nails. It would make more sense to compare ourselves to primates at least.
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"If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?"

Sure it's supposed to be a joke - it's from Beavis and Butthead - but it is funny because it reduces the decision to consume flesh to it's undergirding assumption - essentialism It's animals' purpose to be eaten and meat is obviously proper and necessary food. These assumptions seem absurd when stated so nakedly. Humor results.
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Humor is proliferated when the veg*n recipient of the remark appears to consider the logic calmly and ponderously, then suddenly look surprised, and with a crazed and psychopathic look joyously proclaim...
"And your made of meat too!!"
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But what about the protein? You can't just get protein from beans. Animals have a different type of protein the body needs. Soon you'll be hunched over and all bones!
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But what about the protein? You can't just get protein from beans. Animals have a different type of protein the body needs. Soon you'll be hunched over and all bones!
This bugs the crap out of me. How much protein do you think you need? 300 grams? Even they would have to eat a lot of calories to get there. And the "all bones" thing is just insulting. I am a thin person and my overweight family members find it a reason to pick on me, when I'm at a healthy weight, and it's a crisis that someone can see a bone through my skin. A new phenomena: being bullied because you're not overweight.
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Thats not a new phenomena. I was whip thin in the 90's and got teased by overweight kids all the time.
Its on the increase tho, as us healthy people become an actual rarity.
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Thats not a new phenomena. I was whip thin in the 90's and got teased by overweight kids all the time.
Its on the increase tho, as us healthy people become an actual rarity.
It's very sad that it's gotten so normal to be overweight that a thin, healthy person is weird and they have to be made fun of or lectured because they need to gain weight. I've gotten that a couple of times and it's really sad.
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Ah, the good old days of tuberculosis and famine
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You know, actually, I get annoyed with the "men like women with curves" bit. Now, let me just say that how I have manipulated my weight over the years has nothing to do with wanting anyone to find me attractive. I do remember a few people making comments like this to me when I was very very thin and I found it laughable.

The times when I lost to a very low weight from slightly underweight, I was actually complimented a LOT from both men and women on a regular basis. I was hit on by men far more than when I was a normal weight. My own husband compliments me when I lose weight until I reach a certain very underweight bmi. People very much like "thin" for women from my own experience.

I think it might be different for a man who is on the thinner side than a woman. There is still the stigma of the ideal male with tons of muscle and bigger is better mantra. I have seen people really ream on vegan men who are extremely athletic but on the thin side. I've even heard comments like "well of course he can lift his own body weight...there isn't much there to lift!". as if you can't be strong unless you are huge. Sighs.

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